MPs hold emergency debate on looming shutdown of Line 5 pipeline – May 6, 2021

PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING A SPECIFIC AND IMPORTANT MATTER REQUIRING URGENT CONSIDERATION, NAMELY, THE LINE 5 PIPELINE SHUTDOWN. ACCORDINGLY, THE MOTION IS AS FOLLOWS: MR. RICHARDS, SECONDED BY MR. O'TOOLE, MOVES THAT THIS HOUSE DO NOW ADJOURN. DEBATE, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR BANFF-AIRDRIE. [ Some Applause ] >> IT'S A TICKING TIME BOMB. THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF THE OFFICER OF THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN YESTERDAY ABOUT THE LINE 5 PIPELINE. I'VE GOT TO POINT OUT, THOSE ARE ENTIRELY INCORRECT WORDS, BUT THEY DO HUMBOLDT SOMETHING THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S CLEARLY THAT THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED TO EXPRESS UPON THE GOVERNOR AND OUR OTHER FRIENDS IN THE UNITED STATES THE VERY CLEAR IMPORTANCE OF THAT LINE, OF THAT PIPELINE.

AND THEY'VE FAILED TO SECURE IT BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE PAST MAY THE 12th, WHICH IS THE DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE, SIX DAYS FROM NOW. SO THIS IS TRULY AN EMERGENCY AND A VERY URGENT SITUATION, MR. SPEAKER. NOW, I'LL POINT OUT BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I WILL BE SHARING MY TIME WITH THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION WHO IS ONE OF THE FOREMOST CHAMPIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, OF THIS NATION-UNIFYING PIPELINE, THAT WOULD LINK ENERGY PRODUCERS IN THE WEST WITH ENERGY CONSUMERS IN THE EAST. NOT TO MENTION, THAT HE IS ALSO ONE OF THE LOUDEST ADVOCATES FOR OUR ENERGY INDUSTRY AND FOR OUR OIL AND GAS WORKERS IN THIS COUNTRY.

SO I'M PROUD TO SHARE MY TIME WITH HIM. NOW IN CONTRAST, THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IS AT IT AGAIN, TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO LANDLOCK ALBERTA OIL AND, FRANKLY, STICK IT TO ALBERTANS. THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN ABUNDANTLILY CLEAR ON THEIR DISDAIN FOR OUR ENERGY INDUSTRY AND COMMUNITY OIL. WITH BILL C-48, BILL C-49, THE PRIME MINISTER'S COMMENT ABOUT THE OIL SANDS NEEDING TO BE PHASED OUT. ALL VERY CLEAR EXAMPLES. BUT IN THE END, THE LIBERALS AREN'T JUST STICKING IT TO ALBERTANS WHEN THEY DO THAT. ALL CANADIANS PAY THE PRICE. THEY ALREADY CAUSED — OR CANCELLED DIRECTLY THINGS LIKE NORTHERN GATEWAY AND ENERGY EAST. AND OF COURSE THE CANCELLATION OF THE KEYSTONE XL PROJECT BY THE U.S.

ADMINISTRATION A FEW SHORT MONTHS AGO, THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE COMPLETE INACTION BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THEY FAILED TO PROVIDE ANY TANGIBLE SUPPORT FOR THAT PROJECT, AND THAT INCLUDED THEIR REFUSAL TO INITIATE A NAFTA CHALLENGE FOR THE PROJECT. SO YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING. BUT NOW, ENBRIDGE LINE 5 IS ALSO IN VERY SERIOUS JEOPARDY. NOVEMBER LAST YEAR, MICHIGAN GOVERNOR, GRETCHEN WHITMER, ORDERED LINE 5 TO BE SHUT DOWN ON MAY 12th.

IT'S NOW MAY 6th, AND THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOT FOUND A SOLUTION. THEY DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY HERE, MR. SPEAKER,. [ Please Stand By ] LINE 5 OIL IS THEN REFINED IN SARNIA INTO GASOLINE, DIESEL, HOME HEATING FUEL AND AVIATION FUEL. THERE'S ALSO THE MAIN SOURCE OF PROPANE USED IN ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC. LINE 5 ALSO FEEDS INTO LINE 9 WHICH CARRIES OIL TO REFINERIES IN MONTRÉAL FOR QUÉBEC'S SUPPLY NEEDS. THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES HIMSELF HIGHLIGHTED IN THE PAST THAT LINE 5 DELIVERS 66% OF THE CRUDE OIL CONSUMED IN QUÉBEC. SO THIS CANCELLATION WOULD IMPACT ONE OF THE MOST VITAL SUPPLY LINES IN CANADA THAT'S BEEN OPERATING FOR DECADES. JOBS ARE AT STAKE AND SO IS THE INCREASED COST OF ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING FROM GASOLINE TO FOOD CROSS ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC. THE LIBERALS NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE VITAL INFRASTRUCTURE LINK REMAINS UNINTERRUPTED AND THAT JOBS ARE NOT LOST AND CANADIANS ARE NOT FORCED TO PAY MORE FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. FARMERS USE THE PROPANE SOURCE FROM LINE 5 TO HEAT BAN, HOMES AND COMMERCIAL GREENHOUSES AND TO DRY GRAIN.

SOURCING ELSEWHERE WILL DRIVE THE COST OF AGRICULTURE UP ALONG WITH THE COST OF FOOD FOR CANADIAN FAMILIES. FURTHER, 5,000 WELL PAYING JOBS WILL BE LOST IN SARNIA ALONE AND WITH THOUSANDS MORE IN JEOPARDY IN MY HOME OFFICE AND ALBERTA AND QUÉBEC ENERGY INDUSTRIES. THE TORONTO PEARSON AIRPORT RELIES ON 100% OF ITS JET FUEL FROM LINE 5. THE AIRPORT THERE WOULD LITERALLY CEASE TO OPERATE WITHOUT FINDING ANOTHER SOURCE OF FUEL. AS THE ST. LAWRENCE CORRIDOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECENTLY STATED IN A NEWS RELEASE… EYE THIS LINE IS — "THIS LINE IS CRITICAL FOR OUR DAILY LIVES AND SHUTTING IT DOWN WON'T LOOK AFTER OUR NEEDS IF INTERNAL DRIVING, TRANSPORTATION OF GROCERY, GOODS, HEATING FUEL AND THE INDUSTRY OF FARMS. IT WILL AFFECT JOBS IN SARNIA WHICH EXPECTS TO LOSE 5,000 QUALITY HIGH PAYING JOBS BUT INDIRECTLY WILL AFFECT AN ADDITIONAL 23,500 JOBS. THOSE JOBS ARE HELD BY REAL HARD WORKING PEOPLE. THESE JOBS WILL BE LOST AT A TIME THAT FOR USES OF OUR — THOUSANDS OF OUR NEIGHBOURS, FRIENDS AND FAMILY ARE ALREADY FACING EMPLOYMENT LOSS DUE TO THE PANDEMIC." THEN, OF COURSE, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE SHUTTING DOWN LINE 5 WOULD BE A DISASTER.

THERE WILL BE AN ENERGY SHORTFALL IN CANADA THAT HAS TO BE OBTAINED FROM OTHER SOURCES. CANADIANS ARE NOT GOING TO SIMPLY STOP HEATING THEIR HOMES OR BUYING GROCERIES. THAT MEANS THAT SHIPPING OIL AND NATURAL GAS BY RAIL, TRUCK OR SHIP. POTENTIALLY MORE DANGEROUS, POTENTIALLY MORE COSTLY, POTENTIALLY MORE HARMFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT. SOURCING THE SAME OIL THAT LINE 5 PROVIDES MEANS 2,000 TRUCKS OR RAIL CARS EACH DAY ALONE. IT MEANS ADDITIONAL TANKERS IN THE ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY. IT ISN'T JUST THE SHIPPING PART THAT IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT. IF LINE 5 CLOSES OIL WOULD NEED TO BE OBTAINED FROM FOREIGN SOURCES LIKE SAUDI ARABIA, RUSSIA AZERBAIJAN AND NIGERIA. PLACES THAT AREN'T EXACTLY KNOWN FOR THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS OR THEIR HIGH ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS.

NOW OUR STANDARDS HERE IN CANADA, MY HOME PROVINCE ARE FAR HIGHER THAN ANY OF THE SOURCE THAT IS WOULD HAVE TO BE OBTAINED IF THIS WERE TO BE SHUT DOWN. THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IS STACKED BY WHILE LINE 5 IS SHUT DOWN — STANDING. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A MESSAGE TO CUT OFF YOUR NOSE DESPITE YOUR OWN FACE. ALBERTA HAS THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY OIL AND GAS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. THERE'S MANY ALBERTANS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE STRUGGLING, THEY'RE HURTING, THEY'RE OUT OF WORK AND THEY JUST WANT TO GET THE CHANCE TO GO BECOME TO WORK.

THEN THERE'S OF COURSE THE PROBLEM WE FACE WITH UNITY IN THIS COUNTRY. BECAUSE MANY ALBERTANS ARE FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY BECAUSE THEY SEE NO SUPPORT FROM THE CURRENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN TERMS OF GETTING THAT I RECALL PRODUCTS TO MARKET — BE IN TERMS OF GETTING THEIR PRODUCTS TO MARKET. TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE A PROJECT LIKE THIS CONTINUE. A PIPELINE LIKE THIS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPLY THOSE NEEDS, TO PROVIDE THAT LINK BETWEEN OUR WESTERN PRODUCERS AND OUR EASTERN CONSUMERS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ENVIRONMENT CONTINUES TO HAVE THE BEST PRODUCTS THAT IT CAN GET IN TERMS OF OIL AND GAS, GOOD FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT, IN TERMS OF KEEPING THAT NATIONAL UNITY GOING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP PEOPLE IN MY PROVINCE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WORKING ON SOMETHING SO CRUCIAL TO OUR NEEDS.

SO THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AND THIS PRIME MINISTER NEED TO WAKE UP. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP. BECAUSE LINE 5 IS CRUCIAL TO CANADA. IT'S CRUCIAL FOR JOBS, IT'S CRUCIAL FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, IT'S CRUCIAL FOR NATIONAL UNITY. IT'S CRUCIAL FOR ALL CANADIANS. -THE-THEY NEED TO TAKE — THEY NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW. THEY NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE AND THEY AREN'T. I HOPE THAT THEY'RE LISTENING, PAYING ATTENTION AND UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS LINE OPEN, SERVING THOSE ENERGY NEEDS AND PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND SECURING OUR NATIONAL UNITY, Mr. SPEAKER. THANK YOU. [ Some Applause ] >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SOUTH OKANAGAN-WEST KOOTENAY. >> WELL, THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I THANK THE MEMBER FROM BANFF-AIRDRIE FOR HIS SPEECH. I JUST WONDER YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE PIPELINE PROJECT THAT I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THE NDP IS ALSO CONCERNED THAT YOU KNOW WE SEE ITS IMPORTANCE FOR — IS A PREMIER SHIPPING CANADIAN OIL TO EASTERN CANADA, CREATING CANADIAN JOBS IN THE INDUSTRIAL HEARTLAND OF ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC.

WE SEE THAT. I JUST WONDER WHAT HIS PLAN WOULD BE IF HE WERE IN GOVERNMENT AND — AND MICHIGAN SIX DAYS FROM NOW PULLED THE PLUG ON THIS — ON THIS PIPELINE. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR BANFF-AIRDRIE. >> FIRST OF ALL, I'LL SAY I'M GLAD TO HEAR SUPPORT FROM THE NDP FOR THIS PIPELINE. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THE SAME SUPPORT FOR A LINE THAT WOULD HAVE UNIFIED THIS COUNTRY AND GOING ACROSS THIS COUNTRY LIKE ENERGY EAST. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE. TO SEE UNFORTUNATES THAT SOME IN THIS COUNTRY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT PROJECT OF WHAT IT COULD HAVE HAD TOO. I FIRMLY BELIEVE HAD WE HAD A PRIME MINISTER FROM THE CONSERVATIVES AND HAD THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION WE WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS PROBLEM RESOLVED. WE WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE WITH SIXDAYS TO GO SAYING, WHY DIDN'T WE DO SOMETHING? I KNOW HAD WE HAD THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION SERVING AS PRIME MINISTER OF THE COUNTRY WE WOULD HAVE GOT THE JOB DONE BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND HOW VITAL AND IMPORTANT THIS LINE IS TO THE FUTURE.

>> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER. >> THE HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY IS ON MUTE THERE. JUST CHECK THE VOLUME/SOUND. >> IS THAT BETTER, Mr. SPEAKER. GOOD STUFF. Mr. SPEAKER, I THINK THE MEMBER NEEDS TO TAKE A STEP INTO REALITY. YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HEAR CONSERVATIVES YESTERDAY ALL THE PROBLEMS ALBERTA WAS FACING BECAUSE OF OTTAWA AND TODAY ONCE AGAIN WE HEAR THAT. THE HATRED THAT SPEWED FROM CONSERVATIVE MLA MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, NOT ALLING AT ALL BUT A NUMBER OF THEM TOWARDS OTTAWA WAS CONCERNING AND SHOULD CONCERN ALL CANADIANS WHO FEEL THERE'S A NATIONAL IDENTITY.

HAS THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY TAKEN ANY POSITIVE APPROACH? FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE THEY MADE CONTACT WITH THE GOVERNOR IN QUESTION, HAVE THEY ASKED TO MET WITH LEGISLATURES AND HAVE THEY MET IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS FROM ANYONE FROM THE STATE THAT'S IN MENTION. >> The Speaker: THE CHIEF HONOURABLE CHIEF OPPOSITION WHIP. >> I'LL SAY IN RESPONSE TO THAT, THE ANSWER IS YES. IN FACT WE HAVE. OUR LEADER DID. SO THAT HAS HAPPENED. AND I WILL ALSO POINT OUT MAYBE THE MEMBER, YOU KNOW, HE HAS THIS CONCERN, HE FEELS THERE'S SOMEHOW THIS HATRED, IT'S NOT HATRED, Mr. SPEAKER. IT'S EXTREME DISAPPOINTMENT. IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LIBERAL GOVERNMENT OVER THERE THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND OR CARE ABOUT THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE OF MY PROVINCE. SO I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED AS ARE ALL OF CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS GOVERNMENT TENDS TO IGNORE AND SHOW NO CONCERN FOR THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS OF ALBERTANS AND THAT IS WHY I EXPRESS WHEN I EXPRESSED TONIGHT AND WHY WE EXPRESS WHAT WE EXPRESSED LAST NIGHT AND WHY WE EXPRESS IT EVERY SINGLE DAY BECAUSE WE ARE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOWS NO ATTENTION, CONCERN OR CARE FOR OUR PROVINCE.

>> The Speaker: >> Voice of Interpreter: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR LAC-SAINT-JEAN. >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER, FOR MY COLLEAGUE'S SPEECH, I WAS SURPRISED AND ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR BUT CAUGHT MYSELF JUST IN TIME WHEN HE SAID THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS NOT SUPPORTING THE OIL INDUSTRY. LISTEN, Mr. SPEAKER, FROM THE '70s TO THE '80s, WE INVESTED $70 BILLION TO MAKE MANY INDUSTRY PROFITABLE. IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, IT'S $4 BILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S BUDGET FOR THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. $971 MILLION FOR THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY. MY QUESTION IS VERY SIMPLE FOR MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUE. IN HIS OPINION IS $24 BILLION BIGGER OR SMALLER THAN 971 MILLION? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR BANFF-AIRDRIE.

>> I AM GLAD THAT THE MEMBER WAS ABLE STOP HIMSELF FROM FALLING OUT OF A CHAIR. GOOD NEWS. BUT I'LL POINT OUT TO HIM THAT WE DON'T MEASURE THINGS ON HOW MUCH THE GOVERNMENT CAN SPEND ON SOMETHING. IF THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE ENERGY INDUSTRY AND ALLOW IT TO BE PROFITABLE THE BEST THING THEY CAN DO IS STOP GETTING IN THE WAIVE PROJECTS BEING BUILT. THAT'S HOW THEY CAN BEST HELP THE INDUSTRY. IF WE WANT TO SEE PROJECTS BUILT STOP PUTTING FORWARD BILLS LIKE C-48 AND 69 THAT ENDED AND CANCELLED PROJECTS IN THIS COUNTRY AND ALLOW THOSE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD TO SERVE THE ENERGY NEEDS OF FELLOW CANADIANS AND THE WORLD.

WITH SOME OF THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY PRODUCTS THAT YOU CAN FIND ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. THEN THEY'RE THEREFORE PERFOR THE ENVIRONMENT BY — BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BY REPLACING LESS FRIENDLY RESOURCES AND BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY IN THE COUNTRY. I KNOW THAT THAT MEMBER WANTS TO SEE THIS COUNTRY BREAK UP BUT I WANT TO SEE THE COUNTRY UNIFIED AND THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT HE DOESN'T GET ONBOARD BE DO THE SAME. — AND DO THE SAME. >> The Speaker: RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM BANFF AIRDRIE, THE OPPOSITION WHIP FOR BRING THIS DEBATE TO THE FLOOR. THE NONPARTISAN SPEAKER GRANTED YET ANOTHER EMERGENCY DEBATE BECAUSE OF THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT'S FAILURE TO FIGHT FOR OUR ECONOMIC INTERESTS. WHETHER AT HOME, WHETHER AROUND THE WORLD OR EVEN WITH OUR CLOSEST ALLIES. AS CANADIANS KNOW CANADA'S OIL AND GAS SECTOR SUFFERED A TREMENDOUS BLOW WITH THE CANCELLATION OF THE KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO ON THE FIRST DAY IN OFFICE BY THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.

NOW ANOTHER MAJOR THREAT, ANOTHER MAJOR BLOW IS LOOMING AND THERE'S BEEN INACTION. KEYSTONE, THAT PROJECT WAS ALL ABOUT SECURING ADDITIONAL EXPORT MARKET ACCESS FOR CANADIAN CRUDE TO HELP A STRUGGLING ENERGY SECTOR REACH ANOTHER MARKET, HELP THOSE WORKERS AND HELP SECURE A MORE STABLE [ End of Interpretation ] AS WE BEGIN TO GET CANADIANS BACK TO WORK ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AFTER COVID-19, WE MUST DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PROTECT AND SECURE THESE JOBS. ENBRIDGE'S LINE 5 PIPELINE CARRIES CANADIAN OIL EAST RUNNING THROUGH WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN, SUPPLYING ABOUT HALF OF THE OIL NEEDS FOR ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC. HALF, Mr. SPEAKER. FOR DECADES THE PIPELINE HAS SAFELY SHIPPED CANADIAN ENERGY TO BE REFINED INTO SARNIA INTO GASOLINE, PROPANE, DIESEL, HOME HEATING FUEL AND AVIATION FUEL. >> Voice of Interpreter: LINE 5 FEEDS LINE 9 AND CARRIES OIL TOWARDS REFINERIES IN LEVI AND MONTRÉAL IN ORDER TO MEET QUÉBEC SUPPLY NEEDS. [ End of Interpretation ] THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN ORDERED THE PIPELINE SHUT DOWN BY NEXT WEEK THIS. MOVE CLEARLY VIOLATES THE TRANSIT PIPELINES TREATY WHICH PRESIDENT BIDEN SUPPORTED CONSISTENTLY AS A U.S.

SENATOR, THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN SILENT AND ONCE AGAIN REFUSING TO TAKE A STRONG, CLEAR AND CONSISTENT STANCE FOR CANADIAN WORKERS. WHO ARE THOSE CANADIAN WORKERS? 6500 FAMILIES IN THE AROUND AREA RELY — SARNIA AREA RELY DIRECTLY ON THE JOBS RELATED TO LINE 5. ANOTHER ALMOST 24,000 JOBS IN THE WIDER SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO REGION COULD BE IMPACTED AND, Mr. SPEAKER, THOUSANDS MORE ACROSS ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC AND THOUSANDS MORE IN THE WEST WHO WILL ALSO SEE YET ANOTHER INDIFFERENT APPROACH FROM THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT TOWARDS THE WELLBEING OF THAT PART OF OUR COUNTRY. >> Voice of Interpreter: HUNDREDS — OR RATHER TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS ARE THREATENED IN ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC QUÉBEC AS START TO GET CANADIANS BACK TO WORK AFTER COVID-19 WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO PROTECT THESE JOBS. [ End of Interpretation ] ON THE HEELS OF DISAPPOINTMENT THOR THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES CONNECTED TO KEYSTONE WE CANNOT ALLOW THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT TO FAIL THOUSANDS MORE FAMILIES BY ALLOWING THEIR INACTION TO LEAD TO MORE CANCELLATIONS AND UNCERTAINTY.

OUR COUNTRY WAS DEALT A SIGNIFICANT BLOW WITH THE CANCELLATION OF THE KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE ON THE FIRST DAVE — DAY OF THIS US ADMINISTRATION. WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER BLOW BY THAT ADMINISTRATION AT A STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL IN THE U.S. TO CANCEL A SAFE, RELIABLE AND EFFECTIVE LINE 5. OUR ECONOMY CAN'T AFFORD IT. OUR NATIONAL UNITY CAN'T AFFORD IT, Mr. SPEAKER. IN HIS FIRST ECONOMIC SPEECH AS PRIME MINISTER IN 2016, THIS PRIME MINISTER MOCKED OUR NATURAL INDUSTRY. WE ARE RESOURCEFUL NOW, HE SAID. IN THE YEARS SINCE THIS PRIME MINISTER AND HIS IDEOLOGICAL GOVERNMENT HAS NARROWLY — CONSISTENTLY UNDERMINED OUR ENERGY SECTOR, THE PROCESS HAS DIVIDED OUR COUNTRY AND IS SLOWLY ERODING OUR PROSPERITY. IT'S TIME FOR GOVERNMENT THAT IS PROUD OF OUR RESOURCES, OUR INNOVATION AND THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIAN FAMILIES THAT DEPEND ON OUR ENERGY SECTOR.

THIS SECTOR AS MY FRIEND THE CONSERVATIVE WHIP REMINDED CANADIANS IS A WORLD LEADER IN ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIAL GOVERNANCE, ESG, WE ARE THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR ETHICAL EXTRACTIVE INDUSTRIES. WE'RE THE WORLD LEADERS ON INDIGENOUS PARTNERSHIPS AND PARTICIPATION. I LIKE TO CALL IT, Mr. SPEAKER, EFGI, WE SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THAT INNOVATION. THIS WORD LEADING EFGI RESOURCE FLOWS THROUGH LINE 5 AND POWERS HOMES, POWERS OUR ECONOMY, AND POWERS EMPLOYMENT FOR THOUSAND OF FAMILIES IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. TRULY SHOWING THE TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL OF CANADA'S ENERGY INDUSTRY. >> Voice of Interpreter: WITHOUT LINE 5 THE MAIN SOURCE OF PROPANE USED IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC IS AT RISK. MANY FARMERS USE PROPANE TO HEAT THEIR HOMES, TO HEAT THEIR FARM BUILDINGS, TO HEAT THEIR COMMERCIAL GREEN HOUSES AND TO DRY THEIR GRAIN. EVEN IF OTHER SOURCES OF PROPANE SUPPLY COULD BE LOCATED THEY COULD BE VERY COSTLY, Mr. SPEAKER. THAT COULD INCREASE THE COST OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION AND RAISE THE COST OF FOOD. IT'S TIME TO PUT CANADIANS BACK TO WORK. WE CANNOT ALLOW CANADIAN JOBS TO BE LOST. [ End of Interpretation ] — JOBS CRISIS AND A HEALTH CRISIS, Mr. SPEAKER. OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY FROM COVID-19 DEPENDS ON VACCINE, WE KNOW HOW THAT'S BEEN GOING.

THE MEMBER FROM THE KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS WANTS HIS TEAM TO DO BETTER THERE. IT ALSO DEPENDS ON A REAL PLAN TO GET CANADIANS BACK TO WORK IN ALL SECTORS OF OUR ECONOMY AND IN ALL REGIONS OF OUR COUNTRY. WE ALSO NEED TO BE PROUD AND GET BEHIND PROJECTS AND INVESTMENTS THAT WILL ACCELERATE THIS ECONOMIC RECOVERY. ONCE AGAIN, Mr. SPEAKER, IN EVERY SECTOR AND IN EVERY REGION. THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT CAN NO LONGER PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH JOBS THEY FEEL ARE WORTH SUPPORTING. IT'S UNDERMINING. OF NATIONAL UNITY OF THIS COUNTRY. IT'S UNDERMINING THE PROSPERITY WE OWE OUR CHILDREN. WE HAVE TO STOP THIS DIVISIVE AND IDEOLOGICAL APPROACH.

THE ROYALTIES AND TAX REVENUES RECEIVED BY THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF OUR ENERGY RESOURCES CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOCIAL FABRIC WE RELY ON ESPECIALLY IN THE PANDEMIC AND THAT WE NEED TO REBUILD WITH THE SAME REVENUE. THE CANCELLATION OF LINE 5 WOULD MEAN A SIGNIFICANT CUT TO THE REVENUE AND POTENTIAL FOR US TO REBUILD OUR HOSPITALS, OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, NO P AND CHSLDs — AND CHSLDs. OUR LONG-TERM CARE HOMES. WE NEED LINE 5. IT'S AN EXTENSION PART OF THE CANADIAN ECONOMY. THE RESULT OF A CANCELLATION WOULD BE CLEAR, IMMEDIATE AND ALARMING FUEL SHORTAGES, MAJOR LOB JOSSES ACROSS ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. INCREASED RAIL AND TRUCK TRANSPORTATION OF OIL, INCREASING FUEL PRICES, GREATER ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS. THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT FAILED TO WORK EFFECTIVELY WITH THREE U.S. ADMINISTRATIONS AND THEY'VE FAILED TO STAND UP FOR THE CANADIAN ENERGY SUPPLY CHAINS. THEY DON'T SEEM TO CARE THE PRIME MINISTER NEEDS TO VALUE THE THINGS WE PRODUCE IN CANADA. THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO GETTING THEIR HANDS DIRTY TO BUILD THINGS.

REAR RE– WE'RE RESOURCE RICH AND RICHER IN THE HARD WORK THAT CANADIANS CONTRIBUTE TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND IN THEIR COUNTRY. WHETHER IT'S FORT McMURRAY, SARNIA OR LEVI ALL CANADIAN FAMILIES DESERVE AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY. >> Voice of Interpreter: CANADIAN MEN AND WOMEN IN FLEDGLING REGIONS AND IN SMALL LOCALITIES DESERVE A GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND THEM. BLUE-COLLAR WORKERS DESERVE A GOVERNMENT THAT IS PROUD OF THEM. ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE WE ARE PROUD AND WE WILL FIGHT FOR LINE 5 AND EVERY JOB IN THE SECTOR. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. [ Some Applause ] >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS. >> THANK THANK THANK YOF THE OPPOSITION FOR HIS SHOUT-OUT DURING HIS SPEECH THERE. OF ALL THE LEADERS OF POLITICAL PARTIES I'M FLATTERED HOW MUCH TIME HE SPENDS TALKING ABOUT ME. IT'S A TRUE COMPLIMENT. WE'RE A GOOD HALF OUR INTO THIS DEBATE NOW, Mr.

SPEAKER, THE MEMBER FROM BANFF-AIRDRIE STOOD UP AND SPOKE ABOUT THE PROBLEMS. HE WAS ASKED A VERY DIRECT QUESTION BUT THE NDP WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED WHICH WAS, WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT IT? DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. THEN THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION STOOD UP FOR TEN MINUTES AND JUST TALKED ABOUT THE PROBLEM AS HE SEES IT AND, AGAIN, DIDN'T OFFER ANY KIND OF SOLUTIONS.

SO MAYBE I'LL GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT THE MEMBER FROM THE NDP ASKED WHICH IS: WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY? DON'T TELL US ABOUT THE PLANS BUT TELEUS WHAT YOU WOULD DO TO — TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION. >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. IT'S HARD NOT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MEMBER FOR KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO GENERALLY SHOWS UP HERE OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

>> POINT OF ORDER. >> The Speaker: I KNOW WHAT THE MEMBER FROM KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS IS GOING TO SAY AND I REMIND THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION THAT THE MENTION OF ABSENCE OR PRISONS PRESF HONOURABLE MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE IS NOT ALLOWED. >> LET ME REPHRASE THAT. IN THE HYBRID PARLIAMENT THERE'S SEVERAL MPs WHO COULD BE ON A SCREEN OR IN THE HOUSE, BUT WHEN THE PRIME MINISTER HAS HILLS CHOICE OF THESE FORMATS UNDER THIS HYBRID RULE, CANADIANS SHOULD ASK — >> POINT OF ORDER, POINT OF ORDER. >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS ON ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER. >> THE RULE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REFERENCE THE MEMBER'S PRESENCE IN THE HOUSE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE VIRTUALLY PRESENT OR PHYSICALLY PRESENT YOU SHOULD NOT BE REFERENCING ANY PRESENCE IN THE HOUSE FULL STOP. TO SUGGEST THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE HERE VIRTUALLY OR TO SUGGEST SOME PEOPLE ARE HERE PHYSICALLY IS STILL OUTSIDE OF THE RULES.

>> The Speaker: I THINK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER — I THANK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. I WAS PART WAY LEADING TO WHAT THE LEADER THE OF THE OPPOSITIOE OPPOSITION HAD TO SAY BUT I'M SURE HE'LL GET ON WITH THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. >> PERHAPS THERE'S MANY MEMBERS OF THE CABINET ON THE HYBRID SESSION AND I WOULD ASK THEM TO PUT THEIR HAND EMOJI UP. THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT HERE DURING AN EMERGENCY DEBATE AND THAT SHOULD CONCERN CANADIANS? >> POINT OF ORDER. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER, I HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. I THINK SPECULATING UPON THE ABSENCE OR PRESENCE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MAKING A DIRECT REFERENCE TO MEMBERS ABSENCE OR PRESENCE.

>> NO, NO, THAT'S NOT MY POINT OF ORDER. >> The Speaker: LET ME FINISH. THEN BACK TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS POINT OF ORDER. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS. >> MY POINT OF ORDER IS HE'S SPECIFICALLY ASKING MEMBERS TO RAISE THEIR HAND TO INDICATE IF THEY'RE HERE. THAT'S AGAINST THE RULES.

YOU CANNOT BRING REFERENCE TO SOMEBODY'S PRESENCE IN THE HOUSE VIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY. AND THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION CONTINUES TO DO IT BY ASKING MEMBERS TO INDICATE THEIR PRESENCE. >> The Speaker: >> Voice of Interpreter: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR — RISING ON A POINT OF ORDER. >> WE WELCOME EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEBATE. WE AND PRAISE THE MEMBER FOR KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS WHO HAS A TREMENDOUS PERFORMANCE HERE IN THE HOUSE, EXCEPTIONALLY YESTERDAY, A GREAT PERFORMANCE AND SPEECH THAT WE APPRECIATED. >> The Speaker: I'VE HEARD WHAT THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION HAS HAD TO SAY AND IN MY VIEW HIS REFERENCE TO THE PARTICIPATION OF MEMBERS AND SPECULATING UPON THAT IS NOT MAKING A DIRECT REFERENCE ABSENT OR PRESENT.

I'M SATISFIED THAT HE'S NOT DWELLING THERE. I'M SURE HE WANTS TO GET PAST THIS POINT AND GET TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. BACK TO THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION. >> THANK YOU, SPEAKER. NICE TO HAVE THAT CLARITY FROM YOU. GOING TO THE MEMBER'S QUESTION. IN NOVEMBER, I ASKED FOR A CALL FROM THE PRIME MINISTER THE CALL BECAME FAMOUS BECAUSE THE PRIME MINISTER RELEASED A SUMMARY OF THE CALL WITH THE OPPOSITION LEADER AN HOUR BEFORE THE CALL TOOK PLACE? BUT THAT FAMOUS CALL IS WHEN I PROPOSED A NUMBER OF MEASURES FOR THE INCOMING BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN PARTICULAR WITH RESPECT TO NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY SECURITY AND INDEPENDENCE. THAT RELATES BOTH TO CRITICAL PIPELINE NETWORKS AND THE ELECTRICITY GRID, Mr. SPEAKER. THE PRIME MINISTER DID VERY LITTLE WITH THAT BUT THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME. I ALSO MADE OUR CASE TO THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN THROUGH A CONTACT I HAD IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, Mr. SPEAKER. AS OPPOSITION LEADER AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO LEAD, I CANNOT ACTION OUR DIPLOMAT BUT I CAN SAY THAT WE ARE THERE TO FIGHT.

PART OF THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THE EMERGENCY DEBATE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE OF THE MONTH OF INACTION BY THIS GOVERNMENT. SO HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SEE THIS DEBATE LIVE OR VIRTUAL AS WE SAID EARLIER AND ACTS, Mr. SPEAKER. IT'S TIM TO STAND UP — IT'S TIME TO STAND UP FOR THOSE WORKERS. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. >> Voice of Interpreter: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR JONQUIERE.

>> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. THE INTERPRETER POINTS ON THAT THE PROPER MICROPHONE IS NOT ON. THE PROPER MICROPHONE. >> [ Speaking French ] [ No Translation ] >> [ Speaking French ] [ No Translation ] >> Voice of Interpreter: SO I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION SAID AT THE OUTSET THAT MORE THAN HALF OF THE OIL USED IN QUÉBEC CAME FROM THE ENBRIDGE LINE BUT I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BECAUSE DURING THE WHOLE ELECTION CAMPAIGN THE CONSERVATIVES SAID THAT THE ENERGY CORRIDOR AND QUEBECERS DIDN'T USE ANY OIL PRODUCTS COMING FROM ALBERTA. SO THAT'S TOTALLY FALSE. THAT'S BEEN CLEARED UP. THE LEADER OF CONSERVATIVE PARTY TODAY DOESN'T AGREE WITH THE FORMER CONSERVATIVE LEADER. NOW MY QUESTION IS SIMPLE. DOESN'T THIS DEMONSTRATE WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY WITH LINE 5 THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A TRANSITION, AN ENERGY TRANSITION NOW THAT THE LEADER HAS BROUGHT IN HIS OLD CARBON TAX, IS HE ALSO CONSIDERING OR CONTEMPLATING AN ENERGY TRANSITION? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION.

>> Mr. SPEAKER, I'M VERY SURPRISED BY THIS QUESTION BECAUSE THE BLOC DOES NOT STAND UP FOR BLEW COLLAR WORKERS IN REGIONS, THEY DO NOT SUPPORT FARMERS ON PROPANE AND OTHER ENERGY SOURCES. THE BLOC QUEBECOIS IS A PARTY THAT REPRESENTS INTERESTS THAT GO AGAINST JOBS IN THE ENERGY INDUSTRY AS WELL AS AGRICULTURE. THE BLOC REPRESENTS BIG CITIES. I'M HAPPY BECAUSE THREE WEEKS AGO I LAUNCHED A CLIMATE CHANGE POLICY THAT'S INNOVATIVE AND WILL REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, PROTECTING JOBS FOR CANADIANS. FOR MEN AND WOMEN, FOR REGIONS IN THE WEST AND IN ONTARIO, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD WIN THE NEXT ELECTION FOR THE REGIONS OF QUÉBEC. [ End of Interpretation ] >> The Speaker: ONE SHORT QUESTION. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SAANICH-GULF ISLANDS. >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I ASKED THE HONOURABLE MEMBER IF HE'S FAMILIAR WITH WHY THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN DO NOT TRUST THE IDEA THAT A PIPELINE BUILT BY ENBRIDGE IN 1953 WON'T SPILL. HAS HE NOT HEARD OF THE JULY 2010 SPILL WHERE ENBRIDGE'S NEGLIGENCE LED TO THE MOST EXPENSIVE PIPELINE SPILL IN U.S.

HISTORY, WHERE? IN MICHIGAN. THIS IS ABOUT PIPELINE POLLUTION. IT'S NOT ABOUT TRYING TO STOP A PIPELINE THAT GETS GOODS TO MARKET. WE NEED TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE TO GET THOSE GOODS TO MARKET AND ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT OF MICHIGAN TO KEEP A CAMPAIGN FROM HIM PROTECT THE — PROMISE TO PROTECT THE GREAT LAKES. SPEED SKATE HONOURABLE OF THE OPPOSITION. >> Mr. SPEAKER, I'M ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY. >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION. >> Mr. SPEAKER, I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR THE FORMER LEADER OF THE GREEN PARTY TO ENDORSE SHIPPING OIL BY RAIL.

ALL ALL OF THOSE SOURCES EMIT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT. I INCLUDE THE GOVERNMENT IN THE GROUP OF PARTIES THERE. THEY'RE AGAINST EVERYTHING BUT THEY HAVE NO IDEA OR CREDIBILITY ON HOW TO ACTUALLY REDUCE EMISSIONS WHILE KEEPING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS HOW TO INNOVATIVE AND NOT JUST SHUT DOWN THE ENERGY INDUSTRY. WHEN YOU'RE IN GOVERNMENT LIKE THIS GOVERNMENT FOR ALMOST SIX YEARS, Mr. SPEAKER, THEIR FANTASY IS DIVIDING THIS COUNTRY. IT IS MAKING US LESS PROWS.

WHEN THEY DON'T — IT IS MAKING US LESS PRESS PROWS. WHEN THEY CAN'T DEFEND A PIPELINE THAT'S BEEN OPERATING FOR YEARS, IT SHOWS THAT THE TIRED AND INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GO. >> The Speaker: RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES. >> Mr. SPEAKER, I'M ADDRESSING THIS FROM MY HOME OF NEWFOUNDLAND, THE HOME OF THE MI'KMAQ AND ONE OF CANADA'S THREE PROUD OIL PRODUCING PROVINCES. THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY IS NOT LOST ON ME.

THE HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK IN IT NOT LOST ON ME. EVERY DAY I SEE SUPPLY SHIPS HEADING INTO THE HARBOUR OF ST. JOHN'S, INTO THE NARROWS AND OUT TO THE RIGS 300 KILOMETRES FROM SHORE. MY PROVINCE RELIES MORE ON OIL REVENUE THAN EVEN ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN. SO I KNOW THIS DEBATE IS IMPORTANT. IT'S ABOUT CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY. THE UNITED STATES' ENERGY SECURITY. NORTH AMERICA'S ENERGY SECURITY. THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT LINE 5 IS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA TAKES THIS ISSUE VERY SERIOUSLY. I TAKE THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY. THE OPPOSITION CLAIMED IN THE MEDIA AND IN THIS HOUSE AND THEY CONTINUE TO SAY THAT WE'VE DONE NOTHING, WE SAT ON OUR HANDS AND DON'T TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY. THAT COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. IT IS MISLEADING. IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE. IT IS POLITICALLY SELF-SERVING. LEAVE TO THE MEMBERS OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION TO PLAY PART SAN POLITICS TO SCORE CHEAP POLITICAL POINTS ON BACKS OF WORKING CANADIANS, AND CANADIAN OIL AND GAS WORKERS AND OF CANADIANS WHO WANT TO HEAT THEIR HOMES. YOU CAN'T SOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH FALSE BRAVADO.

BEATING YOUR CHEST AND SIMULTANEOUSLY STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND LIKE THE MEMBERS OPPOSITE DO BY CALLING PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU, BRAIN-DEAD. THAT BOMBASTIC APPROACH DOES A GREAT DISSERVICE TO THE OIL AND GAS WORKERS AND DOES NOTHING TO ADVANCE THEIR CAUSE. WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT AND WE OWE IT TO THE WORKERS' INDUSTRY TO BE BETTER. THESE WORKERS BUILT THIS COUNTRY. WE ARE THE FOURTH LARGEST PRODUCER OF OIL AND GAS IN THE WORLD.

WE HAVE THE THIRD LARGEST RESERVES. YOU DON'T GET THERE WITHOUT THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT. THIS IS OUR NUMBER ONE EXPORT. ONE OF THE BIGGEST INDUSTRIES. >> BUT TONIGHT'S EMERGENCY DEBATE ALLOWS US TO DRAW THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION TO SOMETHING WE DON'T ENCOUNTER A LOT IN CANADIAN POLITICS. I'M SPEAKING OF THE TEAM CANADA SPIRIT THAT IS UNITING POLITICAL PARTIES, PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN SUPPORT OF A VITAL PIECE OF NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE.

SPECIFICALLY, Mr. SPEAKER TO A RELATIVELY SHORT PORTION OF ENBRIDGE'S LINE 5 PIPELINE. ONE THAT STRETCHES ALONG THE LAKEBED AT THE STRAIGHTS OF MACKINAC. THAT'S A WATERWAY BETWEEN LAKE HURON AND LAKE MICHIGAN. [ End of Interpretation ] I WILL SAY TO THIS HOUSE WHAT I SAID TO THE MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE. SHUTTING DOWN LINE 5 WOULD HAVE PROFOUND CONSEQUENCES FOR CANADA AND THEs. AND THE UNITED STATES. IT IS A CRITICAL ENERGY AND ECONOMIC LINK. THE HEATING OF CANADIAN HOMES, THE FLYING OF CANADIAN JETS, THE OPERATION OF CANADIAN REFINERIES IN SARNIA, NO MONTRÉAL AND IN LEVI ARE NONNEGOTIABLE.

THE JOBS OF THOSE WORKERS ARE NONNEGOTIABLE. 5,000 DIRECT JOBS AND 23,000 INDIRECT JOBS IN THE SARNIA REGION AND THE THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN QUÉBEC WE'VE BEEN CLEAR FROM THE START WE WOULD LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED IN DEFENDING CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR OPTIONS. WE ARE WORKING AT THE POLITICAL LEVEL, AT THE DIPLOMATIC LEVEL, AT THE LEGAL LEVEL. IT IS A FULL-COURT PRESS. WE RAISED LINE 5 DIRECTLY WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND MEMBERS OF HIS CABINET DURING THE VIRTUAL CANADA-U.S. SUMMIT IN FEBRUARY. THE PRIME MINISTER RAISED THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY SECURITY IN CONVERSATION WITH VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. I RAISED THE ISSUE WITH U.S. ENERGY SECTOR GRANHOLM IN OUR VERY FIRST CALL. I WAS FRANK AND UNEQUIVOCAL IN EXPRESSING HOW CRITICAL THIS IS FOR CANADA. THE MANITOBA MINISTER OF TRANSPORT RAISED LINE 5 WITH HIS COUNTERPART WHOSE DEPARTMENT OVERSEES THE PIPELINE AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, THE U.S.

FEDERAL REGULATOR FOR PIPELINES WHICH HAS CONSISTENTLY STATED THAT LINE 5 IS SAFE. THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS ARE RAISED THE ISSUE WITH SECRETARY OF STATE BLINKHAM. AMBASSADOR NEWMAN MADE THE CASE TO GOVERNOR WITMER DIRECTLY. IN DETROIT AND LANCING THE CONSULAR GENERAL HAS BEEN MAKING THE CASE TO THE LAWMAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION. LET ME TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK HER. TO THANK THE TOUR CONSUM GENERAL AND THE TEAM IN WASHINGTON AND ALL DIPLOMATS WHO HAVE BEEN ENGAGING ON THIS ISSUE IN WASHINGTON, DETROIT AND LANCING AND WHO DEFEND CANADA'S INTERESTS THERE EVERY DAY. I'VE BEEN SPEAKING CONTINUALLY WITH ENBRIDGE AS HAS MY OFFICE. WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT THEM. I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH LABOUR, WITH THE CANADA BUILDING TRADES UNION AND THE INTERNATIONAL UNION OF OPERATING ENGINEERS AND THE CANADIAN LABOUR CORPORATION EVERY DAY WE ARE WORKING HARD ON THIS ISSUE.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE MEMBER FROM SARNIA-LAMBTON WITH THE SARNIA MEMBER BRADLEY AND GIVEN THE CRITICALLALITY OF THE ISSUE FOR THE SARNIA REGION. BEFORE THIS DEBATE I SPOKE WITH MY COUNTERPARTS IN QUÉBEC, SASKATCHEWAN AND ALBERTA. MINISTERS JULIEN, AYR, SAVAGE AND THE SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE IN DC AND FORMER MEMBER OF THIS HOUSE. JAMES RICHOTTE AND GENERAL RICHTER AS WELL. WE HAVE SET UP A WORKING GROUP TO STAY ALIGNED AND WORK TOGETHER. IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A TEAM CANADA APPROACH BECAUSE LINE 5 DOES NOT JUST AFFECT ONE PROVINCE BUT SUPPORTS THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY. IN THE FACE OF EXTERNAL CHALLENGES TO OUR ENERGY SECURITY CANADIANS EXPECT RIGHTFULLY THAT THEIR GOVERNMENTS, FEDERAL AND PROVINCIAL, POLITICIANS OF ALL STRIPED ACT AS ONE, TO BE UNITED AND UNITED WE ARE. MPs AND SENATORS IN THE CANADA-U.S. INTERPARLIAMENTARY GROUP HELD 23 VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH THE U.S. CONGRESSIAL LAWMAKERS DURING A BLITZ OF ADVOCACY IN MARCH, RAISING LINE 5 IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.

LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S. AND THIS HOUSE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO CREATE. I APPEAR BEFORE THAT COMMITTEE. AS DID SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE FOR THEIR EFFORTS. I EXPECT TO HEAR MORE FROM THEM TONIGHT. THERE WAS NO DAYLIGHT BETWEEN PARTIES ON THE ISSUE.

THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT LINE 5 IS A SIGNIFICANT ASPECTS OF CANADA'S ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES. THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED AS THEIR FIRST RECOMMENDATION THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD ENCOURAGE ENBRIDGE AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN TO RESOLVE THE DISPUTE THROUGH A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT. Mr. SPEAKER, WE KNOW FULL WELL THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF THIS SHUTDOWN AND WHAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THIS COUNTRY. I ALREADY MENTIONED THE JOBS. IT BEARS REPEATING, 5,000 DIRECT JOBS IN SARNIA, 23,000 INDIRECT JOBS IN THE REGION, THOUSANDS MORE IN MONTRÉAL AND LEVI. 53% OF ONTARIO'S CRUDE OIL SUPPLY, FOUR REFINERIES DEPEND ON LINE 5. ALL JET FUEL FOR PEARSON INTERNATIONAL. HE 66% OF QUÉBEC'S CRUDE OIL VA LINE 5. SUNCOR IN MONTRÉAL AND LaVarOE IN LEVI, THE UNITED STATES DEPENDS ON LINE 5 AS MUCH AS WE DO. NO TWO OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD HAVE THEIR ENERGY SECTORS AS CLOSELY INTERTWINED AS WE DO. 70 PIPELINES, NEARLY 3 DOZEN TRANSMISSION LINES ACROSS THE BORDER. A SHUTDOWN WOULD HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON MICHIGAN AND THE GREAT LAKES REGION TO PUT IT MILDLY. 65% OF THE PROPANE NEEDS OF MICHIGAN'S UPPER PENINSULA COME FROM LINE 5. 55% OF STATE WIDE PROPANE NEEDS COMES FROM LINE 5.

MICHIGANDERS HEAT THEIR HOME WITH THE PRODUCT IT DELIVERS. WHEN WE SAW EXTREME COLD WEATHER REEK HAVOC ON POWER GRIDS IN TEXAS MICHIGAN WAS PROTECTED FROM THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE OF LINE 5. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JOBS AT REFINERIES IN OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA AND MICHIGAN THAT ARE AT RISK SHOULD LINE 5 SHUT DOWN. IF SUPPLIES MARATHON IN DETROIT AND BP HUSKY IN TOLEDO, OHIO. REFINERS HAVE LIMITED ALTERNATIVES AND AWAY NEED TO CLOSE DOWN.

— WOULD NEED TO CLOSE DOWN. THOUSANDS OF DIRECT AND CONTRACT SKILLED TRADES JOBS ARE AT RISK AN LOSS OF 5.4 BILLION IN ANNUAL ECONOMIC OUTPUT. LINE 5 POWERS DETROIT'S AUTO INDUSTRY. IT FLIES JETS FROM DETROIT INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. ITIES IMPACT CANNOT — ITS IMPACT BE OVERSTAYED. IT WOULD CAUSE A SHORTAGE OF 17 MILLION GASOLINES A DAY IN THE — GALON A DAY. WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT THE COURT ORDERED MEDIATION BETWEEN THE COURTS AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WILL YIELD A LOCAL SOLUTION AND TO THE POINTS OF LINE 5 WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? THE REALITY IS THAT THOSE ENERGY MOLECULES WILL STILL GET TO MARKET.

PEOPLE WILL NOT BE LEFT OUT IN THE COLD. THAT'S NOT NON-NEGOTIABLE BECAUSE THE COMMON FOR THE 540,000 BARRELS A DAY OF OIL THAT LINE 5 TRANSPORTS WILL NOT GO AWAY. SO WE CAN EITHER USE A PIPELINE THAT IS DEMONSTRABLY SAFE, EFFICIENT AND ECONOMICAL AND IS A PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS LOW-EMITTING OR WE ARE FORCED TO PUT OIL ON TRAINS, WE ARE FORCED TO PUT IT ON TRUCKS, MARINE TRANSPORT. IT WOULD TAKE 800 RAIL CARS AND 2,000 TRUCKS DAY JUST IN CANADA. IN THE UNITED STATES THE NUMBER OF EXTRA TRUCKS NEEDED COULD BE UP TO 15,000 A DAY. THAT IS UNQUESTIONABLY LESS SAFE. IT WILL INCREASE EMISSIONS.

WE DON'T NEED MORE TRUCKS ON THE ROAD JAMMING UP THE 401 AND 403 IN THE GTA OR THE 40 IN MONTRÉAL. OR JAMMING UP OUR CONGESTED BORDER CROSSINGS AND THE ISLANDS TRUCKS WOULD RELEASE EMISSIONS IN GOVERNOR WITMER'S BACKYARD IN MICHIGAN WHILE THEY WAIT ACROSS THE BORDER. LET ME BE CRYSTAL CLEAR THE PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE GREAT LAKES IS OF VITAL IMPORTANCE.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE HOUSE DISAGREES WITH THAT BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS THIS LINE 5 IS SAFE. IT'S BEEN SAFE FOR 65 YEARS. OPERATING IN THE STRAITS OF MAKINAW WITHOUT INCIDENT. ENBRIDGE IS COMMITTED TO MAKING A SAFE LINE EVEN SAFER. THEY HAVE PROPOSED THE GREAT LAKES TUNNEL PROJECT, A PROJECT THAT WOULD TAKE THE PIPELINE OFF THE LAKEBED FLOOR AND THOUSAND IN A CEMENT TUNNEL UNDERNEATH THE LAKEBED PROTECTING IT FROM ANCHOR STRIKES AND PROTECTING THE GREAT LAKES. Mr. SPEAKER, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT MICHIGAN WAS LOOKING FOR. AND MICHIGAN CONTINUES TO ISSUE PERMITS TO ALLOW THE PROJECT TO PROCEED. AS I'VE SAID WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR OPTIONS. WE ARE READY TO INTERVENE AT PRECISELY THE RIGHT MOMENT. THE 1977 TRANSIT PIPELINE TREATY REMAINS INTO EFFECT. WE HAVE OTHER LEGAL TOOLS THAT WE CAN AVAIL OF SHOULD THE SITUATION TRIER BUT LET ME REITERATE, WE ARE ENCOURAGED BY THE MEDIATION PROCESS THAT IS UNFOLDING AND WE ENCOURAGE ENBRIDGE AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN TO REACH A LOCAL SOLUTION THAT MAINTAINS THE INTEGRITY OF NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY SECURITY.

WE ARE TAKING THE SAME APPROACH THAT MEMBERS OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES HAVE ASKED US TO. THE SAME APPROACH THAT ALBERTA, SASKATCHEWAN, QUÉBEC AND ONTARIO HAVE URGED US TO. AN APPROACH THAT SAYS, DIPLOMACY FIRST. AN APPROACH THAT SAYS TEAM CANADA. WITH COLLABORATION AT THE FOREFRONT WITH PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS, WITH STAKEHOLDERS. Mr. SPEAKER, MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, THIS IS A IRRITANT IN THE CANADA-U.S. RELATIONSHIP. JUST LIKE PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DECISION ON KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE WAS DEEPLY DISAPPOINTING AND HURT OUR WORKERS, JUST LIKE THE COUNTER VEILING AND ANTIDUMPING DUTIES ON SOFTWOOD LUMBER ARE UNFAIR, UNJUSTIFIED AND UNWARRANTED, HURT OUR FORESTRY WORKERS, BUT, Mr. SPEAKER, WE CANNOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE CANADA-U.S. RELATIONSHIP. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THIS RELATIONSHIP STRONGER AND ITS A RELATIONSHIP THAT IS BIGGER THAN ONE PROJECT OR ONE PIECE OF ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION IS MORE ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA THAN EVER BEEN NOT JUST WITH OUR GOALS.

THEY ARE MORE ALIGNED NOW WITH THE GOALS OF THE GOVERNMENTS OF ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN THAN EVER BEFORE. ALIGNED ON LEAVING NO WORKER BEHIND. PUTTING WORKERS AT THE FOREFRONT OF BUILDING A LOW EMISSIONS ENERGY FIGURE SKATERS ALIGNED SON TACKLING THE GREATEST CHALLENGES OF OUR GENERATION, A REALITY OF CLIMATE CHANGE. ALIGNED ON SECURING NORTH AMERICAN SECURITY THROUGH THE PROTECTION OF CRITICAL ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENT SUPPLY CHAINS, FREE OF GEOPOLITICS.

THE U.S. WANTS TO WORK WITH US ON CRITICAL MINERALS BECAUSE WE HAVE 13 OF THE 35 THAT THEY DEEM ESSENTIAL AND WE WANT TO ENSURE RESILIENT SUPPLY CHAINS THAT PREVENT CHINESE DOMINANCE. THEY WANT TO WORK CLOSELY WITH US ON CCUS. SPEAKING WITH A UNIFIED VOICE. SEEING IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OIL AND GAS WORKERS LEAD DECARBONIZATION EFFORTS. PRIME MINISTER — THE PRIME MINISTER AND PRESIDENT BIDEN AGREED NO THEIR FEBRUARY SUMMIT TO BUILD OUR ECONOMIES BACK BETTER AS WE CONFRONT THE CLIMATE CRISIS. NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY SECURITY IS A BIG PART OF THIS AND IT WAS SPELLED OUT IN THEIR DOCUMENT THAT RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANT ECONOMIC AND ENERGY SECURITY BENEFITS OF THE BILATERAL ENERGY RELATIONSHIP AND ITS HIGHLY INTEGRATED INFRASTRUCTURE. THE ROAD MAP FOR A RENEWED CANADA-U.S. PARTNERSHIP PRESENTS US WITH A PLAN. A PLAN TO PROTECT OUR HIGHLY INTEGRATED ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE LINE 5. TO MAINTAIN THE SECURITY AND RESILIENCE OF SUPPLY CHAINS LIKE CANADIAN CRUDE HEADING SOUTHBOUND. A PLAN TO RENEW AND STRENGTHEN EXISTING BILATERAL AGREEMENTS ON CRITICAL MINERALS. ADVANCING NATURE BASED CLIMATE SOLUTION, HARMONIZING STANDARDS AND INCREASE COMPETITIVENESS AND PROVIDE AN EVEN PRAILL FIELD FOR OUR COMPANIES.

Mr. SPEAKER, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE D ENSURING THAT NO WORKER IS LEFT BEHIND. MAKING SURE THAT ENERGY PRODUCING REGIONS OR PROVINCES LIKE MINE ARE NOT LEFT BEHIND. WE NEED THE INGENUITY AND THE DETERMINATION AND HARD WORK OF OUR ENERGY WORKERS IN OUR ENERGY PRODUCING PROVINCES TO BUILD UP OUR LOW EMISSIONS ENERGY FUTURE. Mr. SPEAKER, LET ME CONCLUDE WITH WHERE I BEGAN. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IMPACTS ALL OF CANADA. THIS GOVERNMENT TAKES THE ISSUE OF LINE 5 AND CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY VERY SERIOUSLY. WE HAVE PUT FORWARD A TEAM CANADA APPROACH WORKING WITH THE PROVINCES WITH ENBRIDGE, WITH UNIONS AND WITH THIS HOUSE. WE ARE LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED IN DEFENDING CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY AND THE WORKERS WHO BUILT THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU. MERCI. >> The Speaker: >> Voice of Interpreter: JUST BEFORE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, I HAVE THE HONOUR TO INFORM THE HOUSE THAT THE FOLLOWING COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN RECEIVED. Mr. SPEAKER, I HAVE THE HONOUR TO INFORM YOU THAT THE RIGHT HONOURABLE RICHARD WAGNER HAS GRANTED ROYAL ASSENT TO THE BILL MENTIONED IN THE SCHEDULE TO THIS LETTER ON MAY 6, 2021, AT 6:27 p.m.

ACCORDINGLY Mr. IAN MCCOWAN. SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNOR GENERAL. THE SCHEDULE SHOWS A BILL TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE ECONOMIC STATEMENT TABLED IN PARLIAMENT ON NOVEMBER 13, 2022 AND IMPLEMENTING OTHER ACTS, C-14, AN ACTS TO AMEND THE JUDGE'S ACT AND THE CRIMINAL CODE, BILL C-3 — [ End of Interpretation ] AN HONOUR TO INFORM THE HOUSE THAT A COMMUNICATE HAS BEEN RECEIVED AS FOLLOWS. Mr. SPEAKER, I HAVE THE HONOUR TO INFORM THAT YOU THE RIGHT HONOURABLE RICHARD WAGNER, ADMINISTRATOR OF THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA SIGNIFIED ROYAL ASSENT BY WRITTEN DECLARATION TO THE BILLS IN THE SCHEDULE IN THIS LETTER ON THE 6th OF MAY, 2021 AT 6:27 p.m. SINCERELY IAN MCCOWAN, SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNOR GENERAL. THE BILL'S TO THIS DAY, AN ACT TO IMPLEMENT SERVE PROVISIONS OF THE ECONOMIC STATEMENT TABLED IN PARLIAMENT NOVEMBER 30, 2020 AND OTHER MEASURES BILL C-14 AND AN ACT TO AMEND THE JUDGE'S ACT AND THE CRIMINAL CODE BILL C-3. NOW WE GO TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. AND THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON. >> WELL, YOU T THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER — WELL, THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I THANK THE MINISTER FOR THE RECOGNITION THAT LINE 5 IS CRITICAL FOR OUR ECONOMIC SECURITY AND HE KNOWS THE SERIOUS IMPACT THIS WOULD HAVE IN MY RIDING.

I WAS FORTUNATE TO SIT ON THE CANADA-U.S. COMMITTEE THAT WAS ALL IN AGREEMENT OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS ISSUE AND MADE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO ACT ON ONE OF WHICH WAS THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD SUBMIT AN AMICUS CURIAE BRIEF DUE ON TUESDAY NEXT, MAY 11th. THE QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER IS, WILL THE GOVERNMENT BE SUBMITTING SUCH A BRIEFING? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES? >> I THANK THE HONOURABLE MINISTER FOR HER QUESTION. I CAN ASSURE THE MEMBER AND THIS HOUSE WE WILL LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED IN DEFENDING CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITIES. WE ARE WORKING AT A POLITICAL LEVEL, A DIPLOMATIC LEVEL AND THE LEGAL LEVEL AND WE WILL BE READY TO INTERVENE STRATEGICALLY AT PRECISELY THE RIGHT MOMENT SO WE CAN STAND UP FOR ENERGY WORKERS AND FRANKLY FOR ENERGY CONSUMERS IN THIS COUNTRY.

BY LOOKING AFTER BOTH OF THOSE WE ARE STANDING UP FOR CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY. PEOPLE WILL NOT BE LEFT OUT IN THE COLD. AS I'VE SAID THAT IS NONNEGOTIABLE. >> The Speaker: >> Voice of Interpreter: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR JOLIETTE. NOT JOLIETTE JONQUIERE. JONQUIERE. >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I WISH TO THANK THE MINISTER FOR HIS SPEECH. HE TALKED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT CANADA.

TEAM CANADA. I WOULD LIKE TEAM CANADA. I WOULD LIKE THE MINISTER TO HAVE AS MUCH PASSION AND VIGOR WHEN IT'S TIME TO DEFEND THE SOFTWOOD LUMBER INDUSTRY AND THE CONFLICT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE U.S. BECAUSE IT'S TIME — AS IT DOES DEFENDING ENBRIDGE. I HAVE A QUESTION. WE SEE THE CRISIS IN WHICH WE ARE PERHAPS — PERHAPS WE ARE POORLY PREPARED. PERHAPS EVEN DEPENDENT, SO WHAT ARE THE SOLUTIONS TO WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING WITH ENBRIDGE. WOULD IT BE TO DEVELOP ENERGY INDEPENDENCE FOR AUTONOMY WHICH GOES THROUGH SOVEREIGNTY QUESTION. >> 24 MILLION WAS ANNOUNCED TO MAKE — HAVE NET ZERO EMISSIONS. FOR ME THIS DOESN'T EXIST. MY SIMPLE QUESTION TO THE MINISTER IS THIS, IS IT HE NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CONFLICT WE HAVE WITH ENBRIDGE DEMONSTRATES THE NEED TO MAKE LOW CARBON EMISSION SHIFT AND HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT DEPENDS LESS ON OIL AND GAS? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER [ End of Interpretation ] >> I THANK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS QUESTION.

I WOULD SAY THIS… WE SIMPLY CANNOT — WE CANNOT TRANSITION THE ECONOMY BY PULLING THE PLUG ON THE ECONOMY. LINE 5 IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO SHIPPING OF CRUDE FROM ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN. BUT IT IS VITAL TO THE ENERGY SECURITY OF THE CITIZENS OF ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. IT HAS BEEN OPERATING SAFELY FOR OVER 60 YEARS. AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ENBRIDGE IS COMING FORTH WITH WOULD MAKE IT EVEN SAFER. TAKING IT OFF THE LAKEBED AND PUTTING IT UNDERNEAT THE LAKEBED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT REMAINS SAFE. WE WILL ALL OF THIS PUT IN PLACE. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT TRANSITION HAPPENING GLOBALLY, MOVING AWAY FROM CONVENTIONAL SOURCES OF ENERGY AND MOVING TOWARDS RENEWABLES AND GREENER SOURCES OF ENERGY ALL IN A QUEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOWER EMISSIONS TO MEET PARIS TARGETS. INVESTORS ARE TURNING THAT WAY AS WELL. BUT SUDDEN SHOCKS TO ORDINARY MEN AND WOMEN. TO THE CITIZENS OF ONTARIO AND QUEBEC AND INDEED FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS NOT A WAY TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION SMOOTH.

NOR IS IT A WAY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR CANADIANS. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ECONOMY IS STRONG IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRANSITION IS PRACTICAL. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SOUTH OKANAGAN-WEST KOOTENAY. >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MINISTER FOR HIS SPEECH YOU KNOW, I WAS HAPPY THAT OTHER SPEAKERS INCLUDING THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION MENTIONED THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT DEBATE ABOUT PIPELINES THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS PIPELINE IS NOT AN EXPANSION PROJECT.

IT'S NOT LIKE KEYSTONE XL, NOT LIKE TRANS MOUNTAIN, NOT LIKE ENERGY EAST, THIS IS A STATUS QUO PIPELINE THAT BRINGS CANADIAN OIL FROM THE WEST TO EASTERN CANADA. BUT IT DOES INVOLVE LIKE THOSE OTHER PROJECTS IT INVOLVES A CREDIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL RISK. AND THE MINISTER CAN SAY THAT IT'S DEMONSTRABLY SAFE BUT MICHIGAN OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T THINK THAT. MICHIGAN IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE THINNING OF THE PIPELINE. IT'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE PIPELINE'S SUPPORT IN THE STRAITS OF MAKINAW. THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT IT HAS LEAKED MULTIPLE TIMES ON LAND. IT'S ALSO WITNESSED THE LINE 6B SPILL INTO THE KALAMAZOO THAT BASICALLY DESTROYED OVER 50 KILOMETRES OF RIVER. SO MICHIGAN HAS HAD A BAD HISTORY WITH THESE ENBRIDGE PIPELINES. IF WE'RE GOING TO MEDIATE THIS. IF WE'RE GOING TO USE DIPLOMATIC PROCESSES TO GET THROUGH THIS, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE BEYOND THE IDEA OF PUTTING THE PIPELINE IN A TUNNEL UNDER THE STRAITS OF MAKINAW.

OTHER MEASURES THAT WILL REALLY MAKE THIS SAFE AND WILL GIVE MICHIGAN THAT SENSE THAT THEY CAN TRUST THIS PROJECT SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT FURTHER MEASURES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE WORKING ON THAT WOULD REALLY TAKE THE SAFETY, THE ECOSYSTEM OF THE GREAT LAKES INTO ACCOUNT. THANK YOU. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES. [ Please Stand By ] THE >> IF I WERE TO GO BACK IN TIME AND PERHAPS MAKE REPRESENTATION TO THIS FOR PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS OR MICHIGANERS WHO LIVE AROUND THE AREA, NO DOUBT THEY WOULD SEE THAT AS GOOD NEWS, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS TO GET LOST. BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN SAFETY TO AN AREA, WHICH AS I SAID IN THE STRAIGHTS HAS GONE 60 ODD YEARS WITHOUT INCIDENT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT AND VITAL WE GET THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ECONOMY RIGHT.

I BELIEVE THAT ENBRIDGE IS MAKING THE RIGHT INVESTMENTS HERE SO WHAT IS A VERY, VERY SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA. BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THERE IS AN ECONOMIC VITALITY HERE THAT EXISTS, NOT ONLY FOR ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, BUT ALSO FOR QUEBEC AND ALSO FOR ONTARIO. AND SO IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT THIS ISSUE IS TOP OF MIND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENERGY SECURITY ON OUR CONTINENT. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR LONDON NORTH CENTER. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TONIGHT. I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE DEBATE, I HAVE TO SAY, IT'S DISAPPOINTING THE HEAR OPPOSITION COLLEAGUES, IN PARTICULAR, THE CONSERVATIVES, WHO POLITICALIZED THIS ISSUE SO OFTEN, NOT ALWAYS, BUT QUITE OFTEN LET'S KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JOBS AT STAKE, DIRECT AND INDIRECT.

THOSE FOLKS ARE CONSERVATIVE SUPPORTERS, LIBERALS, NDPERS, THEY SUPPORT THE GREENS, SOME DO NOT VOTE, BUT THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR COUNTRY AND THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL OBVIOUSLY. MY QUESTION TO THE MINISTER IS, WHAT IS HIS MESSAGE TO THOSE IN SARNIA AND SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO? THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW LONDON WILL KNOW THAT SARNIA JUST DOWN THE ROAD. I WANT TO THANK THE MINISTER FOR CONTINUOUSLY ENGAGING ON THIS ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S LOCAL MPS FROM THE SOUTHWEST. I KNOW HE'S SPOKEN TO MAYOR BRADLEY AS WELL.

WHAT IS HIS MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE OF SARNIA AND SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO? IT'S A CRITICAL TIME. WE HAVE SEEN THE RHETORIC THE UNITED STATES, IN A NEGATIVE WAY, AND I'M LOOKING TO HEAR SOME REASSURANCES FROM HIM, AND I — I KNOW HE HAS THEM BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH HE CARES ABOUT THIS >> The Chair: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES, IN 45 SECONDS OR LESS, PLEASE. >> AND I THANK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS QUESTION. MY MESSAGE TO THEM IS WE WILL NOT LET YOU GO COLD IN THE WINTER, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN MICHIGAN.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ESSENTIAL JOBS AND HOMES IN OHIO AND IN PENNSYLVANIA. YOU KNOW, I HAVE STOOD IN THIS HOUSE AND WE HAVE DEBATED OVER KXL SHTH OTHER PIPELINES, BUT THIS IS AN EXISTING MRIEB THAT POWERS AND HEATS HOME NOW, THAT EMPLOYS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE NOW, AND AS WE LOOK AT THIS — AT THIS — AS THE ECONOMY OF OUR COUNTRY AND OF THE UNITED STATES, AS WE PURSUE THE VITAL MISSION OF LOWERING OUR EMISSIONS, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IN THAT PROCESS, PEOPLE DO NOT GO COLD IN WINTER.

THAT IS ESSENTIAL AND IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY I IMPLORE AN ARGUMENT, NOT JUST IN THIS HOUSE, LET'S GET IT RIGHT. LET US TAKE THE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. THERE IS TOO MUCH AT STAKE. >> The Chair: RESUMING DEBATE. [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] [VOICE OF INTERPRETER] THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, FIRST, I'LL SHARE MY TIME WITH ANOTHER MEMBER. THE REASON WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS NOTHING — IS NOTHING TRIVIAL. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CANADA/U.S. TREATY ON TRANSPORTER PIPELINES FOR EXISTING PIPELINES. KUNLTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE UNILATERAL MEASURES. ANOTHER ISSUE WE COULD ASK OURSELVES IS IN THE CASE OF CLOSURE, IS THE REALITY AS TERRIBLE AS THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION IS SAYING? I WOULD SAY THAT ENBRIDGE LINE 5 ISSUE GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE NECESSARY ENERGY TRANSITION THAT CANADA MUST UNDERTAKE AND ALSO THIS ALLOWS US TO PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE GOVERNOR WHEN IT WHITMER'S REASONS FOR HER ACTIONS.

THE ISSUE AT THE ROOT OF THE ENBRIDGE LINE 5 DEBATE REMAINS ONE OF ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY. (PLEASE STAND BY) >> WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE WATER WAYS. GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER BLAMES THE COMPANY FOR REPEATINGLY VIOLATING RIGHT OF WAY CRITERIA AND FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE GREAT LAKES. AND THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES WAS TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS COMPANY EARLIER, AND TO QUOTE HER, SHE SAID, ENBRIDGE HAS REFUSED — RETUNELY REFUSED TO TAKE ACTION TO PROTECT THE GREAT LAKES AND THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS THAT DEPEND ON THEM FOR CLEAN DRINKING WATER AND CLEAN JOB CHS THEY VIOLATED THE TERMS OF THE 1953 EASEMENT BY IGNORING STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS THAT PUT GREAT LAKTS AND FAMILIES AT RISK. WELL, THERE YOU HAVE IT. THE GRIEVANCES OF AMERICAN STAKEHOLDERS ARE NOT NEW. IN FACT, MICHIGAN'S CONCERNS PREDATE MS. WHITMER. SHE IS THE ONE, HOWEVER, WHO DECIDED TO ACT. OF COURSE, THIS GENERATES DISCONTENT AND CONCERN. IT FORCES THIS OIL COMPANY TO RETHINK ITS PRIORITIES BECAUSE SUDDENLY THERE IS AN OUTRIGHT REFUSAL LINE THAT HAS BEEN CROSSED BY THE COMPANY.

WHY HAS ENBRIDGE CONSISTENTLY REFUSED TO BE PROACTIVE IN ITS MANAGEMENT OF LINE 5, SPECIFICALLY IN THE SENSITIVE STRAITS OF MAKINAW, WHEN THE COMPANY ITSELF HAS REPORTED DEFICIENCIES IN THE PROTECTIVE COATING, FINDINGS OF EROSION AND DAMAGE FROM COMMERCIAL TUG BOATS, WHY HAS IT NOT RESPONDED APPROPRIATELY. THE MICHIGAN GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO FORCE ENBRIDGE TO MAKE IT SAFER. THE COMPANY DOES NOT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY AND IT'S USING ALL TOOLS AT ITS DISPOSAL, INCLUDING LOVING POLITICIANS.

THE GOVERNOR'S FRUSTRATION WAS, IN FACT, WRITTEN ON THE ON THE WALL FOR SOME TIME. ENBRIDGE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR — BUT DON'T LOOK FOR THEM ON THE COMPANY'S WEBSITE. THEY WERE THERE AT ONE TIME, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN NOW. THE DOCUMENTS CONSULTED, WHICH ARE VERY WELL REFERENCED INDICATE ANOTHER POINT OF CONCERN, THAT OF THE POWER OF THIS INDUSTRY BEFORE CANADIAN REGULATORS. AND I WOULD SIMPLY REFER YOU TO READ THE NATIONAL OBSERVER OF MAY 2ND, 2016, WITH KEYWORDS, NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD, ENBRIDGE, AND YOU WILL SEE AND LEARN IT'S QUITE ETFYING. THE BLOC QUEBECOIS CANNOT CONDONE THE BEHAVIORS OF ENBRIDGE OR THE MINISTER'S DEFENCE.

THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WAS AFFECTED IN 2010, THE GOVERNOR HAS DECIDED NOT TO BE REACTIVE, RATHER, SHE HAS CHOSEN TO BE PREVENTIVE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS. WE ARE MINDFUL OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THIS DECISION, IF IT STANDS. WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS, WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF PIPELINES AND DO NOT WANT TO MAINTAIN RELIANCE ON OUTDATED ENERGY, BUT THIS KIND OF TRANSITION TAKES TIME AND PLANNING. WHEN YOU PLAN FOR CHANGE, YOU ANTICIPATE CHALLENGES AND SOLUTIONS, GETTING OFF OIL IS NOT ONLY THEREFORE POSSIBLE, BUT IT IS WITHIN REACH. WE KNOW THAT LEGAL, POLITICAL, AND DIPLOMATIC TUG OF WAR BETWEEN ENBRIDGE, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE TO ESCALATE. WE WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT QUEBEC REFINERIES HAVE CAPACITY TO SWITCH TO PLAN B QUICKLY, AND TO MOVE TO OTHER SOURCES OF SUPPLY.

IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR IS THE THIRD LARGEST OIL PRODUCING PROVINCE AND FENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH LINE 5, IT WOULD BE WISE TO CONSIDER SUPPLY FROM THIS REGION. NONETHELESS, PIPELINES THAT CROSS OUR RIVERS WILL CONTINUE TO POSE ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY RISKS. AND THE TRANSPORTATION OF OIL AND GAS THROUGH PIPELINES WILL CONTINUE TO BE POLITICALLY OPPOSED AND RIGHTLY SO. THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ENCOURAGE US, PROPEL US, EVEN, TOWARDS THE ENERGY TRANSITION, IN QUEBEC, IT IS THE TRANSPORTATION SPECKER THAT HAS THE WORST RATE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION, BUT QUEBEC'S ELECTRICAL SECTOR IS IN EXPANSION, AND THE EXPERTISE WE HAVE AND WHOSE DEVELOPMENT WE WILL PRIORITYIZE SHOULD SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE ELSEWHERE IN CANADA. IN QUEBECISH WE DON'T MAKE CARS, BUT WE MAKE TRAINS, BUSSES, STREETCARS, AND SUBWAYS. PUBLIC TRANSIT VEHICLES WELL SUITED TO ZERO EMISSION ELECTRIC TECHNOLOGY.

WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO REDUCING TRANSPORTATION RELATED GREENHOUSE GAS FEET PRINT. FEDERAL ZERO EMISSION LEGISLATION MUST BECOME A REALITY. THE MORE ELECTRIC TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPS, THE LESS DEPENDANT WE WILL BE ON OIL. SUPPLY ISSUES WILL BE REDUCED, AND MONEY KEPT WITHIN OUR OWN ECONOMY. BUT, YES, THERE ARE COSTS TO THE TRANSITION, MR. SPEAKER. THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT IS OFTEN USED TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF THE NEED TO STICK WITH FOSSIL FUELS, BUT TRUTH MUST BE SAID LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT THE REAL PRICE OF OIL AND GAS AND THAT PRICE IS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE PAY AT THE PUMP. THAT'S ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS, UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM OF MEGAPOLLUTION EXTRACTION THAT CAUSES ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE, LAND CONTAMINATION, DANGERS TO NATURAL WILDLIFE AND WHAT THEY GENERATE WHEN BURNED HERE AND ABROAD WITH THE RESULTING AIR POPULATION. SO THAT, ZE TO ADD SOCIAL COSTS, INCLUDING COSTS TO OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS, DUE TO THE PREVALENCE OF DISEASES DIRECTLY RELATED TO AIR POLLUTION, ESPECIALLY THE INCREASING NUMBER OF CHILDREN, EVEN BABIES, WITH RESPIRATORY AND LUNG DISEASES.

TO THAT, WE HAVE TO ADD ALSO ALL THE PUBLIC MONEY GIVEN IN SUBSIDIES AND TAX BREAKS TO THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY TO SUPPORT AN INDUSTRY THAT WILL DISAPPEAR, STARTING WITH THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE. AND WHAT ABOUT CLEAN UP COSTS? WHAT ABOUT THE LOSSES THAT ARE INCURRED IN OIL SPILLS? ACCORDING TO THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND, THE THE NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES WORLD WISE ARE ESTIMATED TO BE IN XES OF $2 TRILLION U.S. DOLLARS IN 2017 ALONE. OUR LAND IS WELL SUITED TO RENEWABLE ENERGY. INDUSTRIES ARE REACHING OUT TO GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM UP ON IT SHLG THE TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES ARE THERE.

IF THE CONSERVATIVES REFUSE TO SNAP OUT OF THE MIND SET AND THE LIBERALS PERSIST ON FEEDING RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUELS BY CLAIMING TO FAVOUR A GREEN SHIFT, WELL, WE'RE NOT FOOL. IT IS, INDEED, A GREEN MY RAGE. THE POLITICAL CHOICES BY THE STATE OF MICHIGAN HAVE OPENED OUR EYES, THEY HAVE SURPRISED ENBRIDGE AND THE POWERFUL INDUSTRY LOBBIES. THEIR RECORD ON KEEPING COMMITMENTS AND MAINTAINING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, THEIR ARROGANT BELIEF THEY'RE UNTOUCHABLE, WELL, IT HAS CAUGHT UP WITH THEM. CANADA, THE G7 COUNTRY WITH THE BIGGEST SUBSIDIES TO OIL AND GAS PRODUCTION, AS A PERCENTAGE OF GDP, THE COUNTRY THAT BOASTS ON THE INTERNATIONAL SCENE TO BE COMMITTED TO THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE, AND THE NEXT DAY AUTHORIZES OIL DRILLING IN A PROTECTED MARINE AREA WHILE IT COULD HAVE AVOIDED A DIPLOMATIC CRISIS, AND WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY, IF IT HAD INTERSCREENED WITH ENBRIDGE BEFORE NOW, BUT WHEN YOU GIVE EVERYTHING TO OIL COMPANIES, THEY END UP THINKING THEY'RE THE ONES IN CHARGE.

GRETCHEN WHITMER HAS SHOWN THEM THIS IS NO LONGER THE CASE. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. >> MR. SPEAKER: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM CALGARY CENTER. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I THANK MY COLLEAGUE. I WANT TO ASK HER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COSTS OF THE OIL AND GAS SHE ASKED GOOD QUESTIONS THERE. WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF REMEDIATING THIS LAND AND COSTS OF POLLUTION THAT ARE BORNE — THAT SOCIETY BEARS ON BEHALF OF THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. AS MUCH AS THERE ARE EFFECTS OF EVERY INDUSTRY WE HAVE, I'D LIKE TO ASK HER IF SHE KNOWS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TAX, THE AMOUNT OF ECONOMIC RENT THAT'S PAY BID THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY TO GOVERNMENTS ACROSS CANADA SO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THESE THINGS AND THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, APPROXIMATELY $24 BILLION A YEAR, PLUS ANOTHER COUPLE BILLIONS A YEAR IN EXCISE TAXES TO DEAL WITH HEALTH CARE, ALL OUR EDUCATION, ALL THE THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY.

CAN SHE COMMENT ON THAT, PLEASE? [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] [VOICE OF INTERPRETER] >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, I'D LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS QUESTION. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM, WHAT DOES POLLUTION COST? THERE ARE PEOPLE DYING IN CANADA, ACCORDING TO HEALTH CANADA, THERE ARE 50 PEOPLE WHO DIE PREMATURELY BECAUSE OF POLLUTION. THERE IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE ASTHMA, WHO HAVE TO GO TO HOSPITALS, THERE IS A DOCTOR THAT TESTIFIED RECENTLY THAT THERE ARE MORE AND MORE BABY THAT IS HAVE LUNG PROBLEMS.

WHAT DOES THAT COST? WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, BUT ALSO THE SOCIAL COST TO SEE THAT ONE'S CHILD, WHO HAS JUST BEEN BORN, AND IS IN THE HOSPITAL, AT SOME POINT, I WOULD LIKE US TO TO REALIZE THAT WE HAVE WORKERS WHO ARE REPRESENTING ENERGY WORKERS WHO UNDERSTAND THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND SHOULD CREATE PLANS FOR A TRANSITION. IN 2021, ENERGY COMING FROM WIND AND SOLAR ARE A BETTER MARKET THAN THAT OF OIL, AND THERE ARE JOBS IN THOSE SECTORS. THERE ARE GOOD JOBS AND THOSE JOBS WILL LEAD TO PAYING TAXES TO IMPROVE OUR HEALTH AND EDUCATION SYSTEMS. >> >> WHAT WE'VE DEBATING IS THE IMPORTANCE OF LINE 5. I KNOW ONE OF BY-PRODUCTS OF LINE 5 IS PROPANE. IN 2019, WHEN THERE WAS A STRIKE, THERE WAS A MAJOR IMPACT ON QUEBEC'S ECONOMY AND EASTERN ONTARIO'S ECONOMY. I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUE, DOES SHE BELIEVE THAT CLOSING LINE 5 ON MAY 12TH IS A GOOD DECISION BY THE STATE OF MISH FWAN BEGAN AND WILL THAT NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON QUEBEC'S SITUATION.

THE HONOURABLE MEMBER THANK YOU, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS QUESTION BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN THAT QUEBEC'S PLAN IS NOT A DOCTRINE. THE BLOC QUEBECOIS RECOGNIZES WE STILL NEED OIL. WE'RE NOT FOOLING OURSELVES. THE NEXT FEW YEARS. HOWEVER, THE ENERGY TRANSITION HAS STARTED REPLACING OIL AND GAS THROUGH GREENER OPTIONS IS DOABLE ON A TECHNOLOGICAL AND ECONOMIC LEVEL. BUT WE DON'T THINK CLOSING THE TAP TOMORROW MORNING IS GOING TO HELP THE ENERGY TRANSITION. NOT AT ALL, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT A TRANSITION IS A CONCEPT THAT LEADS TO A DEEP CHANGE AND WE WANT TO CHANGE ENERGY CONSUMPTION LONG-TERM. SO LET'S START JUST TALKING ABOUT IT AND LET'S ACT ON MAKING THIS HAPPEN. WE NEED TO MAKE GREAT STRIDES TO GET THERE IN ORDER TO HIT NET ZERO.

[END OF TRANSLATION]. >> MR. SPEAKER: QUESTION OF 30 SECONDS IN RESPONSE [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] [VOICE OF INTERPRETER] 30 SECOND ANSWER, PLEASE. [END OF TRANSLATION]. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND I'LL MAKE THIS A QUICK COMMENT BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS, JUST TO ADD TO THAT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE MEMBERS. HEALTH CANADA RECENTLY CAME OUT WITH A STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT AIR POLLUTANTS COST THE HEALTH OF CANADIANS, THE HEALTH COSTS OF CANADIANS IS ABOUT $120 BILLION A YEAR, OR 122 BILLION — NO, $120 BILLION A YEAR, AND THAT COMPARES ALMOST EXACTLY WITH THE VALUE OF CANADIANS FOSSIL FUEL EXPORTS, WHICH ARE 122.

SO FOSSIL FUEL EXPORTS, THE SAME AS OUR HEALTH COSTS. SO IT'S — IT'S — BUT I AGREE, HEALTH COSTS HAVE A MUCH MORE PERSONAL IMPACT. [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] [VOICE OF INTERPRETER] 30 SECONDS OR LESS, PLEASE. I'LL ANSWER QUICKLY, MR. SPEAKER. I'LL ANSWER QUICKLY THAT WHAT IS THE PRICE OF A LIFE? WHAT IS THE PRICE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF NATURAL HABITAT? AT SOME POINT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT STRIDES TO ENSURE A SUSTAINABLE ENERGY TRANSITION THAT WILL LEAD TO GOOD JOBS AND BETTER HEALTH. RESUMING DEBATE. [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] [VOICE OF INTERPRETER] THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO START BY LOOKING AT THE REQUEST FOR AN EMERGENCY DEBATE. IT'S INDICATED THAT THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES CONFIRMS THAT THIS PIPELINE HAS 53% OF ONTARIO'S CRUDE OIL AND 66% OF CRUDE OIL FOR QUEBEC. THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION COME BACK ON THE 66%. WHY IS THIS INTEREST FOR ME? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN, WHEN THE — THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN HAPPENED AND THERE WAS AN ENERGY CORRIDOR PROJECT, WHICH KEPT INSISTING THAT THE MAJORITY OF OIL CONSUMED IN QUEBEC CAME FROM COUNTRIES THAT WERE DICTATORSHIPS OR FROM THE UNITED STATES.

I WAS INTERESTED TO HEAR THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION THAT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. SO I HOPE THAT THIS UNTRUTH WILL NOT BE REPEATED ANY FURTHER. NOW, THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION SAID THAT THE BLOC QUEBECOIS WAS NOT THE PARTY REPRESENTING REGIONS, THAT WE ONLY DEFENDED URBAN CENTRES. I WAS SERIOUSLY IRRITATED BY THIS BECAUSE, IN QUEBEC, THERE IS A GREAT DEPENDENT GWENNEDANCE ON THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY, NOT THE OIL INDUSTRY, AND I NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD A GRUDGE AND I WILL MOVE ON. WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT TODAY'S DEBATE, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS AN INTERESTING PARALLEL WITH THE PANDEMIC. WHAT DOES A CRISIS DO? IT SHOWS US WHERE OUR VULNERABILITIES ARE. WE SAW THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC AND WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPLY, THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS. THINK OF MASKS AND VACCINES. WE WERE FACED WITH OUR OWN VULNERABILITIES.

AND IT SHOWED US THAT WE WERE NOT READY. NOW, WE DEPEND ON EXPORTS. WHEN IT COMES TO ENERGY AND ENERGY CONSUMPTION, WE DEPEND ON SOMETHING, AND THAT'S OIL. THERE IS ANOTHER LARGE CRISIS COMING UP. IT'S THE CLIMATE CRISIS. ARE WE GOING TO BE READY TO DEAL WITH THE CLIMATE CRISIS, IF I RELY ON WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, I THINK I WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LEARNING ANY ANY LESSONS. CANADA REMAINS AN OIL STATE THAT ONLY THINKS BY AND FOR OIL. I THINK THAT THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO TWO CONCEPTS THAT ARE RELATIVELY SIMPLE, THAT OF ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND THAT OF THE ENERGY TRANSITION.

I THINK IT'S RATHER SURPRISING THAT IT'S THE UNITED STATES, AN AMERICAN STATE, THAT IS ASKING US TO TAKE CARE OF ECOSYSTEMS. LET'S NOT BE FOOLISH. THE GREAT LAKES IS DRINKING WATER FOR 40 MILLION PEOPLE. AND IN THE KALAMAZOO RIVER, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT SPILL. I THINK IT'S STRANGE TO USE A WAKE UP CALL FROM AN AMERICAN STATE AND WE'RE READY TO SAY TO ENBRIDGE TODAY, OH, WELL, GO AHEAD, EVERYTHING IS FINE.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE ENVIRONMENT, WELL, WE'LL JUST SET THAT ASIDE, THE OIL INDUSTRY IS DOING FINE, AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS CONNECTED TO IT. IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT WE COLLECTIVELY HAVE TO USE OUR COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUS AND REVIEW OUR RELIANCE ON OIL AND GAS, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE BEEN DRAGGING BEHIND US FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I TALK ABOUT THE ENERGY TRANSITION BECAUSE IN TERMS OF GETTING OUT OF THE CRISIS, THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED THAT IT WAS READY TO HAVE A GREEN RECOVERY.

I REMEMBER THAT. MS. MCKENNA, MR. WILKINSON, AND MR. GILBAULT ALL MENTIONED IT. WE HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. [END OF TRANSLATION]. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. HE USED THE NAME OF THREE CABINET MINISTERS IN A ROW, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE THE NAME OF MINISTERS. I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO HIS SPEAK. [SPEAKING IN FRENCH] [VOICE OF INTERPRETER] I WOULD REMIND TO MEMBERS TO REFER TO PEOPLE BY TITLE, RIDINGER AND NOT BY NAMES. MY SINCEREST APOLOGIES, I'M SORRY, I'M ENCOURAGEABLE. BEFORE THIS PROMISE OF RENEWAL AND THIS NEW AWARENESS OF OUR CRAZE FOR OIL, I WAS HOPEFUL TO HEAR WHAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT. WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR THE GREEN RECOVERY? PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? THAT'S GREATED, I'LL TAKE THAT. IT CAN ALLOW US TO FREE OURSELVES FROM OIL AND GAS, WHICH IS A LITTLE IRONIC, BECAUSE IN ONTARIO, THIS IS THE ONLY PROVINCE THAT — THAT OFFERS TAX CREDITS FOR PURCHASING ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

SO I AGREE WITH ELECTFYING PUBLIC TRANSIT. NOW, ANOTHER BIG PART IS HYDROGEN. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE PART. IF WE HAVEN'T LEARNED ANY LESSONS FROM THE CRISIS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH, I GET THE IMPRESSION WE'RE GOING TO HIT A WALL, AND THAT WALL WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT HAPPEN WITH HYDROGEN. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S HYDROGEN STRATEGY IS PRODUCING GREY HYDROGEN. FOR ONE TON OF GREY HYDROGEN, WE NEED SO 10 TO 11 TONS OF CARBON. IF THAT'S GREEN, LISTEN, I WAS JOKING EARLIER WITH THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES, HE ANNOUNCED, AGAIN, ABOUT NET ZERO FOR OIL AND GAS, WELL, IN MY OPINION, SAYING THAT'S — THAT'S LIKE SAYING YOU CAN HAVE DIET POUTINE. PEOPLE ON A DIET DON'T EAT POUTINE. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A GREEN RECOVERY, YOU CAN'T HAVE A HIDE — A GREY HYDROGEN STRATEGY. IT DOESN'T WORK. ONE TON OF HYDROGEN CAN GENERATE 10 TO 11 TONS OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, IF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE A LIGHTER OR MORE — OR CLOSE TO ZERO CARBON FOOTPRINT. NOW, THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT'S STRATEGY FOR GREEN RECOVERY DOESN'T INCLUDE A SINGLE WORD ON A SECTOR THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST PROMISING TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE, WHICH IS FORESTRY. NOW, THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY IS NOT JUST TWO BY FOURS. IT'S NOT JUST THE OLD PRODUCTS WE HAVE KNOWN IN THE PAST. WE CAN REPLACE A LOT OF PRODUCTS WITH THE BIO ECONOMICS OF PETROLEUM-BASED PRODUCTS. IF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IN THE SPIRIT OF GETTING OUT OF THE CRISIS IS MAYBE WE SHOULD BE A BIT MORE INDEPENDENT WHEN IT COMES TO ENERGY AND I WOULD SAY MORE PROACTIVE IN THE ENERGY TRANSITION BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THAT LONG-TERM, IF WE BET EVERYTHING ON OIL AND GAS, IT'S A STRATEGY THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE US ALL IMPOVRISHED. IF WE WANT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, I WOULD SAY, MR. SPEAKER, THE SECTOR THAT WE REALLY SHOULD RELY MORE ON IS FORESTRY. UNFORTUNATELY IT SEEMS THAT THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IS TURNING A DEAF EAR TO FORESTRY INDUSTRY.

I HAVE NOT YET SEEN FROM THIS GOVERNMENT ANY REAL ACTION TO SUPPORT QUEBEC'S FORESTRY SECTOR. AND I'LL CONCLUDE BY SAYING THAT A NUMBER THAT IS TRULY STRIKING IS THE AMOUNT THAT WAS GIVEN TO THIS GREEN RECOVERY PROJECT. $17.6 BILLION. $17.6 BILLION FOR GREEN RECOVERY. (PLEASE STAND >> THANK YOU. VERY QUICKLY, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LEGAL DEBATE. I THINK THAT THAT LINE 5 WON'T BE CLOSED AND I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUE BUT QUEBEC COULD ALSO EASILY RECEIVE CONVENTIONAL OIL BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSE TO SEA BOARDS. AND THAT'S A CONVENTIONAL SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT IS YOU KNOW SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE AND VERY SIMPLY THE ECONOMIC SPIN-OFF.

OF OIL FOR QUEBEC. WHILE I WILL TELL THEM THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE DUTCH DISEASE THAT DESTRUCTURED THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR IN QUEBEC BECAUSE THE BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY CANADA HAS A AS A PETRO STATE WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE DISADVANTAGING FOR QUEBEC. AND ALL THE MEMBER HAS TO DO IS CHECK OUT INTERNATIONAL. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM CALGARY CENTRE. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUE I WILL LIKE TO ASK HIM WHAT IS THE ROLE OF BIOMASS IN THE TRANSITION TO A GREEN ECONOMY. IS THE TECHNOLOGY THERE TO REPLACE AND HOW MANY TREES WOULD HAVE TO BE HARVESTED TO DEVELOP AN INDUSTRY LIKE THAT AND HOW MANY YEARS WOULD THAT TAKE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE RESOURCES COMMITTEE. I ENJOY WORKING WITH HIM. I KNOW THE OIL INDUSTRY WON'T BE REPLACED OVERNIGHT WITH ENERGY FROM THE FOREST INDUSTRY. I'M AWARE OF THAT BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT TO HIM THAT EVERYONE SAID IN THE 70s THAT THE OIL IS IMPOSSIBLE.

THERE WILL NEVER BE A TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL ALLOW US TO SELL THAT OIL A LUCRATIVE PRICE. AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVESTED 70 BILLION AND IT HAPPENED BUT NOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO HAVE A LOW CARBON FOOTPRINT ECONOMY. SO IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STEPS UP THEN PERHAPS OVER NEXT IN 10 YEARS WE'LL HAVE A BETTER ECONOMY AND A FORESTRY SECTOR THAT WILL BE SUPPORTED FOR ONCE IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM ELMWOOD-STRATHCONA. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS SPEECH. SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE THE SECURITY OF THE GREAT LAKES ANY IMMEDIATE SHUTDOWN OF THE PIPELINE WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING. >> IN 45 SECONDS. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD BE PLEASED TO ANSWER VERY QUICKLY. EARLIER I SAID THAT GREAT LAKES REPRESENTS DRINKING WATER FOR 40 MILLION PEOPLE SO WE HAVE TO SEND A CLEAR SIGNAL THAT WE CARE IT'S NOT BY HOLDING AN EMERGENCY DEBATE TO SAY ENBRIDGE GO AHEAD AND TO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

WE NEED TO PROTECT THE DRINKING WATER FOR OUR CITIZENS. ENBRIDGE IS PLAYING WITH TOYING WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND IT HAS TO BE AWARE OF THAT, THE MESSAGE THAT IS BEING SENT TO THEM. BUT, CANADIAN OIL COMPANIES WOULD RATHER SPIN-OFFS AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS WE'LL BOW TO YOU RESUMING DEBATE. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER AND I'LL START BY SAYING THAT I'LL BE SHARING MY TIME MEMBER FROM ELMWOOD, TRANSKONA. TODAY WE'RE DELIBERATING AN ENBRIDGE PIPELINE, THAT TRANSPORTS GAS LIQUIDS FROM ALBERTA TO MICHIGAN TO REFINERIES AND OTHER NOTABLY IN SARNIA AND QUEBEC. A SIMILAR PIPELINE ALSO SERVES THESE MARKETS WITH 667 BARRELS PER DAY.

I WOULD SAY FROM THE START INCLUDING THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION THAT THIS EMERGENCY DEBATE IS NOT AT ALL LIKE THE DEBATES WE'VE HAD LIKE TRANS MOUNTAIN. THESE ARE EXPANSION PROJECTS DESIGNED SOLELY TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RAW BITUMINUTE AT A TIME REQUIRES THAT IT DECLINES STEEPLY IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS THE DEBATE ABOUT THE IMPENDING CLOSURE ON THE PIPELINE TO BRING WESTERN CANADIAN I'LL TO EASTERN CANADA CREATING JOBS. THIS IS ABOUT MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO AND MAINTAINING THOSE JOBS IN THE INDUSTRIAL HEARTLAND OF CANADA. >> ONE SIMILARITY BETWEEN US IS AT THE HEART OF IT THERE IS CREDIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN. AND I WOULD LIKE TO START BY LAYING OUT THE POSITIONS OF THE TWO SIDES IN THIS CONFRONTATION, THE CANADIAN WORKERS AND COMPANIES WHO NEED THE PIPELINE TO CONTINUE SUPPLYING OIL TO ONTARIO AND QUEBEC AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WHICH IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. LINE FIVE WAS BUILT IN 1953 AND OPERATING UNDER AN EASEMENT GRANTED BY THAT STATE. BACK IN NOVEMBER, MICHIGAN GOVERNOR GRETCHEN STATED THAT THE PIPELINE IS A THREAT TO THE ENVIRONMENT PARTICULARLY IF A REASONTURE OCCURS IN A SECTION THAT TRAVELS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE STRAITS BETWEEN LAKE MICHIGAN AND LAKE HURON.

THAT SUFFERED DAMAGE ON OCCASION DUE TO DRAGGED ANCHORS, BUT FORTUNATELY NO LEAKS IN THAT WATER SECTION. MICHIGAN HAS ALSO POINTED OUT VIOLATIONS IN THE EASEMENT CONDITIONS INCLUDING INADEQUATE SUPPORTS FOR THE PIPELINE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE STRAIT AND FOR ITS PART ENBRIDGE HAS PROPOSED TO ENCLOSE IN A CONCRETE TUNNEL TO PROTECT IT FROM FUTURE ACCIDENTS AND HAS OBTAINED SOME OF THE PERMITS NECESSARY TO CARRY OUT THAT WORK. MICHIGAN HOWEVER HAS CLAIMED THAT BECAUSE OF PAST VIOLATIONS AND PRESENT CONCERNS THE PIPELINE IS QUOTE, A TICKING TIME BOMB, UNQUOTE, AND WILL REVOKE THE EASEMENTst OF MAY th, ONLY SIX DAYS AWAY. IF ENBRIDGE IS STILL USING THE PIPELINE AFTER THAT BREAK, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE STATED IT WILL BE BREAKING THE LAW. SO WHAT WILL THE IMPACT BE IF THIS PIPELINE IS SHUT DOWN? WELL THERE ARE ABOUT 4,900 JOBS IN SARNIA THAT DIRECTLY RELY ON THE SUPPLY OF CRUDE OIL THAT LINE FIVE NOW SUPPLIES. ONE OF THE PRODUCTS OF THOSE PLANTS IN SARNIA PRODUCES IS JET FUEL WHICH SUPPLIES LARGE AIRPORTS SUCH AS PEARSON INTERNATIONAL IN TORONTO.

THE OIL NOT DIVERTED IN SARNIA IS CARRIED ON TO REFINERIES IN QUEBEC SO THE IMPACT COULD BE HUGE. NOW THERE'S SOME DEBATE ON HOW ALTERNATE SUPPLIES COULD MITIGATE THESE IMPACTS. PEARSON STATED IN A RECENT POST IT'S NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT A SHUTDOWN OF LINE 5 AS IT HAS DIVERSIFIED ITS SOURCES OF JET FUEL. THE REFINERY SAYS IT HAS MADE ARRANGE PRESIDENTS TO GET HIS CRUDE OIL FROM ANOTHER PIPELINE AND INDUSTRIES IN SARNIA MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME CRUDE OIL THROUGH INCREASED FLOW IN LINE SIX SINCE THEY MANAGE THAT WAY WHEN LINE SIX WAS RUPTURED IN 2010.

THEN THEY GOT ALTERNATE SUPPLIES THROUGH LINE FIVE. BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE PETRO CHEMISTRY SECTOR IN SARNIA COULD BE FACING SIGNIFICANT SHORTAGES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE UP THROUGH TRANSPORT BY RAIL AND TRUCK. THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION AND IT'S ONE THAT COULD RESULT IN A DIRECT LOSS OF JOBS IN SARNIA INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND INDIRECT JOB LOSSES THROUGHOUT THE REGION. WE HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGY TO PROTECT THOSE JOBS. AND THAT STRATEGY GOES THROUGH CONVINCING MICHIGAN THAT IT'S IN ALL OF OUR INTERESTS TO KEEP LINE FIVE OPERATING. WHAT ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS TO CANCEL THIS EASEMENT? ONE OF THE LARGEST INLAND OIL SPILLS HAPPEN ON ANOTHER ENBRIDGE PIPELINE IN MICHIGAN. LINE SIX WHICH GOES THROUGH SARNIA INSTEAD OF CROSSING UNDER THE STRAITS OF MACKINAW. JUST EAST OF BATTLE CREEK MICHIGAN. THE SPILL CONTAMINATED OVER 50 KILOMETRES OF THE RIVER AND TOOK FIVE YEARS TO CLEAN UP.

SO THE FAMILY OF MICHIGAN ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN. AND IN ORDER TO CANCEL A AN EASEMENT. INCLUDING THE DESIGN OF THE SUPPORT SYSTEMS OF THE PIPELINE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE STRAITS OF MACKINAW. RECENT ASSESSMENTS SHOW THE UNDERWATER PART OF THE PIPELINE IS SUFFERING FROM THINNING WALLS AND OTHER STRESSORS. ANOTHER STUDY MAKES IT CLEAR THAT A RUPTURE IN THIS SECTION COULD DAMAGE HUNDRED OF KILOMETRES OF SHORELINE OF LAKE MICHIGAN AND LAKE HURON.

TO ALLOW ENBRIDGE TO CONTINUE OPERATING LINE 5 A VIOLATION OF THEIR TREATY RIGHTS. MR. SPEAKER WE NEED TO PROTECT THE GREAT LAKES ECOSYSTEM AND THE THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO HAVE A PLAN THAT WOULD DO BOTH ALL I'VE HEARD FROM THE MINISTER IS THAT LINE FIVE IS NOT NEGOTIABLE. I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS DILEMMA AND OUT OF NEGOTIATION. PROVING TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT CARES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT LINE FIVE WILL NOT HAVE A HISTORY SIMILAR TO LINE 6B. POINTING OUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS THIS CLOSURE WOULD HAVE ON MICHIGAN ITSELF. THE NEIGHBOURING STATES OF OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA ALSO RECEIVE SOME OF THE FUELS CARRIED THROUGH LINE FIVE INCLUDING OVER HALF OF MICHIGAN'S PROPANE SUPPLIES. EXPERTS ARE ADVISING THAT A DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION WOULD BE BEST. BUT ENBRIDGE IS COUNTING ON THE 1977 TRANSIT PIPELINE TREATY IF TALKS FAIL AND RIGHT NOW IT DOES SEEM BOTH SIDES ARE THE LENGTH OF A CONTINENTAL PIPELINE APART.

THE TREATY STATES THAT NO PUBLIC AUTHORITY IN THE TERRITORY OF EITHER PARTY SHALL INSTITUTE ANY MEASURE HYDROCARBON AND TRANSIT. ALSO SAYS THE TREATY BY APPROPRIATE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES. I WILL LEAVE THAT FOR THE COURTS TO DECIDE BUT THE TREATY IS ONE LAST-DITCH STRATEGY THAT MAY WORK. AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING THIS PIPELINE DISPUTE AS WE HAVE DEBATED IN CANADA OVER THE PAST DECADE OR MORE, THIS IS AN EXISTING PIPELINE THAT SUPPLIES OIL, MAINTAINING GOOD JOBS. IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE ECONOMIES OF ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. WE WILL BE USING OIL AND GAS OVER THE NEXT THREE DECADES. ALBEIT IN DECLINING AMOUNTS AS WE TRANSITION TO ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050 AND LINE 5 IS AN IMPORTANT DELIVERY MECHANISM FOR THOSE PURPOSES. BUT THIS DISPUTE HAS BEEN A WAKE-UP CALL. THE PUBLIC IS INCREASINGLY UNWILLING TO LIVE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH PIPELINES AND BURNING FOSSIL FUELS. WE IN THE NDP WE WERE CONCERNS WHETHER THEY WORK IN THE ALBERTA OIL PATCH OR THE INDUSTRIAL CITIES OF ONTARIO. WE NEED A PLAN. NOT JUST EMPTY PROMISES TO PROVIDE GOOD JOBS FOR THOSE WORKERS OVER THE COMING DECADES.

WE NEED TRAINING PROGRAMMES THAT WILL ALLOW THESE WORKERS TO MOVE TO JOBS IN BUILDING RETROFITS, ELECTRIFICATION. ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANUFACTURE, BATTERY TECHNOLOGY AND THE MYRIAD OF OTHER SECTORS THAT WILL PROVIDE GOOD EMPLOYMENT FOR DECADES TO COME. AND WE NEED GOVERNMENT PROGRAMMES TO PROVIDE THOSE JOBS TO PROVE TO WORKERS WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT HELPING THEM. AREA THAT TAKES PLACE, WE NEED TO PROTECT THE ECO SYSTEM OF THE GREAT LAKES. THE GOVERNMENT MUST HAVE A CLEAR PLAN TO DO BOTH. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMPTON. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER FOR HIS SPEECH AND FOR HIS RECOGNITION THAT THIS IS NOT LIKE OTHER DEBATES WE'VE HAD AND DOESN'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE RIGHT NOW. IN FACT EVEN THE PLANS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TO GET 2,000 TRUCKS A DAY AND 800 RAILCARS A DAY, THOSE THINGS DON'T EXIST IN THE CAPACITY THAT WE WOULD NEED THEM TO EXIST BY NEXT WEDNESDAY.

SO, CERTAINLY I AGREE THAT THERE IS NO PLAN. MY QUESTION FOR THE MEMBER IS, WHAT DOES HE THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT OUGHT TO BE DOING IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY DETAILED PLANS, NOT THE VAGUE WORDS WE HEARD FROM THE NATURAL RESOURCES MINISTER? >> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SOUTH OKANAGAN WEST KOOTENAY. >> AS I WAS SAYING IN MY SPEECH, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT BOTH SIDES HAVE DOUBLED DOWN ON THIS. THE GOVERNMENT WANTS THIS PIPELINE TO CONTINUE FOR GOOD REASON. BECAUSE OF THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. SO THE ONLY PATH I SEE FORWARD THAT THIS GOVERNMENT CAN DO OUTSIDE OF THE COURTS AND WHO KNOWS IT MAY GO TO THE COURTS. IT MAY BE IN THE COURTS FOR YEARS. BUT IF IT STAYS OUT OF THE COURTS, IF WE WANT A MEDIATED SOLUTION, WHAT THE ONLY PATHWAY I CAN SEE IS CANADA TO HAVE A PLAN TO REALLY PROVE TO MICHIGAN THAT THIS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE. THE MINISTER SAID ITS COMMON STRAABLY SAFE WHILE OBVIOUSLY IT ISN'T OR MICHIGAN WOULDN'T BE PROCEEDING IN THIS MANNER.

SO, SOMETHING THAT INCREASES THE ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY OF ALL LENGTHS OF THE PIPELINE NOT JUST THE STRAITS OF MACKINAW. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. >> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. IN A DEBATE LIKE THIS, I AM GLAD TO HAND MY TIME OVER TO THE MEMBER FROM FREDRICTON. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. [ Speaking French ] >> Voice of Interpreter: THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE. [ End of Interpretation ] THE MEMBER JUST ABOUT HIS COMMENTS AROUND ENBRIDGE AND THEIR TRACK RECORD. IAN HELP BUT THINK IF THERE'S SUCCESS IN NOT HAVING LINE FIVE SHUT DOWN, PLACING AN IMMENSE TRUST IN ENBRIDGE TO MAINTAIN THE SAFETY AND THE SANCTITY OF THE GREAT LAKES AND SO WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE INFRACTIONS THEY'VE BEEN CITED IN HAVING INCURABLE VIOLATIONS OF THE EASEMENT.

AND IS IT NOT THAT A HISTORY OF A LACK OF ENFORCING SAFETY PROTOCOLS IT HAS GOTTEN US INTO THIS MESS TO BEGIN WITH. THANK YOU. >> FOR WEST KOOTENAY. >> WELL THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FROM FREDRICTON FOR THAT QUESTION AND I WOULD AGREE THAT YOU KNOW, I REALISE HOW IMPORTANT THIS PIPELINE IS TO CANADIAN INDUSTRY AND JOBS. BUT I CAN ALSO VERY MUCH SEE MICHIGAN'S STAND ON THIS. THEY'VE EXPERIENCED ONE OF THE WORST OIL SPILLS IN NORTH AMERICA IN THE KALAMAZOO. IN THE LAND PORTIONS OF THE PIPELINE. SO AND AS YOU SAID THEY HAVE VIOLATIONS OF THE ORIGINAL EASEMENT AGREEMENT IN TERMS OF HOW THE PIPELINE WAS CRUCKED AND MAINTAINED. SO, YEAH, I CAN SEE WHY THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT CANADA SHOULD TRY TO ALLAY THOSE CONCERNS TO REALLY UP THE ANTE IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY AND I THINK THAT IT REALLY SHOWS TO EVERYONE HERE WHY THESE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES OF PIPELINES ARE SO IMPORTANT. I HEAR THE COMPLAINS ALL THE TIME THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES ARE A WASTE OF TIME.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE IF WE HAD DONE THINGS RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NOT HAD THESE INCIDENTS WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT THIS. >> QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM LONDON-FANSHAW. A 30 SECOND QUESTION AND HOPEFULLY A 30-SECOND ANSWER. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I'LL DO MY BEST. OFTEN WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE IMPACTS ON SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO AND MY RIDING IS QUITE CLOSE TO SARNIA AND THOSE JOB IMPACTS WILL BE FELT IF THE CLOSURE HAPPENS SO QUICKICALLY BUT I THINK THE MEMBER DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF SHOWING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT SMART TRANSITION AND WHAT NEW DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR IN TERMS OF THE HEADING TOWARDS THE LOW CARBON ECONOMY AND THAT FUTURE.

A FEW DAYS AGO THERE WAS A STUDY CONDUCTED BY WESTERN UNIVERSITY AT THE RESEARCH INSTITUTE. IT TALKED ABOUT THE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWED EXPOSURE TO HIGH LEVELS OF POLLUTION CAN SIGNIFICANTLY HINDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHILDREN AND CAUSES A LOT OF ASTHMA. AND THEY'VE SEEN THAT IN SARNIA. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT HIGHER. THE INCIDENTS OF CHILD. >> The Speaker: I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CUT OFF AND MAYBE GO TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SOUTH OKANAGAN, WEST KOOTENAY. THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH TIME LEFT. 30 SECONDS OR LESS. >> OK AND AGAIN I'LL REPEAT WHAT I SAID TO THE MEMBER AND HOPEFULLY MORE CLEARLY THIS TIME BECAUSE I KIND OF BOTCHED IT. A RECENT STUDY THAT HEALTH CANADA PUT OUT SHOWED THAT THE BENEFITS WE GET FROM THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY, THE EXPORT COSTS 122 BILLION DOLLARS IS BASICALLY EXACTLY MATCHED BY THE COSTS THAT BURNING FOSSIL FUELS HAS ON OUR ECONOMY IN OUR HEALTH SYSTEM.

120 BILLION DOLLARS SPENT ON ASTHMA AND ALL THE OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS THAT COME FROM AIR POLLUTION LARGELY CAUSED BY OUR FOSSIL FUEL SOCIETY. >> The Speaker: RESUMING DEBATE, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM ELMWOOD-TRANSCONA. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE PLANET HAS BEEN FACING A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. THEY'RE ALREADY HAPPENING. AND AS PEOPLE HAVE TRIED WHETHER HERE IN CANADA OR ELSEWHERE, TO PUSH FOR MEANINGFUL ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE, IT'S DRIVEN A VERY POLARIZED DEBATE ABOUT PIPELINES AND ABOUT THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR.

SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT WE NEED TO COMPLETELY GET RID OF ALL OIL AND GAS EXTRACTION. AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU HAVE BOOSTERS OF THE INDUSTRY WHO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR WHAT APPEARS TO BE A LIMITLESS EXPANSION. AN INCREASE IN THE RATE OF EXTRACTION OF OIL AND GAS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT CANADIANS OR ANYONE ON THE PLANET HAS BEEN WELL SERVED BY THE EXTREME POLARIZATION OF THAT DEBATE. AND CERTAINLY NEW DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WHEN IT COMES TO THAT KIND OF UNBRIDLED EXPANSION AND YOU KNOW, LACK OF CRITIQUE OF THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR. FOR DECADES NOW WITHOUT ANY KIND OF MEANINGFUL CHANGE. BE VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT'S GOING TO GET US OUT OF THIS CLIMATE EMERGENCY AND WE NEED TO CHANGE COURSE. WE NEED TO THINK MORE CRITICALLY ABOUT OIL AND GAS SECTOR AND HOW TO TRANSITION SUCCESSFULLY TOWARDS A LOW CARBON ECONOMY IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T LEAVE WORKERS BEHIND BECAUSE TOO OFTEN THESE BIG COMPANIES AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A DEBATE WHERE YOU KNOW THE IMPERATIVES OF A LARGE COMPANY WHO YOU KNOW HAS KNOWN THAT THERE'S BEEN OPPOSITION IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND ELSEWHERE TO THEIR OPERATIONS FOR A LONG TIME HAS REFUSED TO ACT.

AND HAS INSTEAD LOBBIED TO CREATE POLITICAL PRESSURE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THEIR OPERATIONS AS THEY'VE BEEN DOING THEM FOR SOME TIME. WE NEED TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN GET CONCRETE ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE IN TRANSITION TOWARDS THE LOW CARBON ECONOMY BECAUSE THOSE COMPANIES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO POLITICIANS LIKE US ALTOGETHER, ADVOCATING FOR THEIR INTEREST WHEN THE MONEY HAVE BEEN MADE ANYMORE. WE'VE SEEN WE CAN QUICKLY TURN OUR BACKS AND WALK AWAY. WHO IS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG? IT'S THEIR WORKERS. AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CANADA WHO HAVE MADE THEIR LIVING IN THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR. AND AS THE ECONOMY AND MARKET FORCES ARE DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY NOW FROM FOSSIL FUELS, IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO MAKE A PLAN. FOR WHAT THE NEXT STAGE OF OUR ECONOMY LOOKS LIKE SO THOSE WORKERS AREN'T LEFT HOLDING THE BAG SO THEY DON'T FACE ECONOMIC DISASTER WHEN THOSE COMPANIES MOVE INTO OTHER MORE PROFITABLE PURSUITS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT EXPANSIONIST DRIVE HERE TODAY. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PIPELINE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PIPELINE THAT'S BEEN IN OPERATION FOR OVER 60 YEARS. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A TRANSITION TO ZERO OIL AND GAS. AND OUR TRANSPORTATION AWAY THERE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A ROLE FOR THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR. THIS PARLIAMENT PLASTICS AMONG OTHER THINGS. AND THOSE REQUIRE OIL AND GAS FOR THEIR MANUFACTURERS. SO THE QUESTION IS YOU KNOW WHAT DOES A REDUCED OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY LOOK LIKE IN CANADA THAT CAN SUPPORT A NUMBER OF GOOD PAYING JOBS.

ALBEIT NOT WHAT WE SUE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE BOOM IN ALBERTA. AND THE ANSWER HAS TO BE THAT FOR EVERY OUNCE OF OIL AND GAS EXTRACTED FROM THE GROUND HERE IN CANADA. LIKE THE REFINING CAPABILITY THAT'S IN SARNIA. THE PIPELINE DEBATE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE DEBATES AROUND KEYSTONE XL IN A COUPLE KEY WAYS. ONE IS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MORE EXTRACTION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXTRACTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN GOING ON AND THE SECOND IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTING OIL AND GAS TO A PLACE WHERE THE VERY KIND OF WORK THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN CANADA, THE VALUE ADD WORK THAT CREATES MORE JOBS AND MORE VALUE HERE IN CANADA.

FOR EVERY OUNCE OF OIL AND GAS EXTRACTED TAKES PLACE. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT CANADA NEEDS TO BE THINKING FAR MORE ABOUT. IN THE TIME WE'VE SEEN MASSIVE INCREASES YOU KNOW AND I'M THINKING NOT IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS, WHERE THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR IN CANADA HAS BEEN HIT VERY HARD BUT OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WE SAW A HUGE EXPANSION OF OUR OIL AND GAS INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THAT TIME WE ALSO SAW A DRAMATIC DECLINE IN THE REFINING CAPABILITY. OF THE COUNTRY. NOW, THERE ARE VARIOUS REASONS FOR THAT IN TERMS OF THE MARKET AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A GOVERNMENT WITH ITS HAND ON THE TILLER THAT'S ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE A PLAN FOR HOW CANADIANS THEMSELVES NOT JUST INTERNATIONAL SHAREHOLDERS.

CAN BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THE OIL AND GAS THAT IS TAKEN OUT OF THE GROUND. SO, YOU KNOW, SHUTTING DOWN LINE FIVE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU KNOW NEW DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING. IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THOUSANDS OF WORKERS IN CANADA. BOTH ON THE SUPPLY END AND THE RECEIVING END WHERE THERE'S VALUE-ADDED WORK BEING DONE THAT SAID, PART OF THE SOLUTION HERE. WE UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF FOLKS WHO YOU KNOW HAVE LEGITIMATE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE GREAT LAKES WHO WANT TO SEE REAL ACTION GET TAKEN. IT'S NOT LIKE THESE CONCERNS ARE NEW. SO THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION THAT A COMPANY WHOSE BEEN HEARING THESE CONCERNS FOR A LONG TIME COULD CONTINUE TO GET AWAY DOING BUSINESS AS USUAL.

[ Please Stand By ] >> THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE MASSIVE SHIPMENTS BY RAIL AND BY TRUCK TO THESE — TO THESE REFINERIES IN CANADA AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY LACKING. WE OWE THAT, WE OWE THAT NOT JUST TO WHAT CONSERVATIVES LIKE TO WRITE OFF AS ENVIRONMENTALISTS. THESE ARE CONCERNED CANADIANS AND U.S. CITIZENS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER. WE OWE IT TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S THE BATTLE RIVER BAND OR THE FIRST NATION ON THE BANKS OF LAKE HURON WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT JUST — ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE LAKE IN A KIND OF GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL SENSE, BUT ALSO WHAT IT MEANS FOR LOCAL ECONOMIES WHO DEPEND ON THE GREAT LAKES AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN ENBRIDGE.

THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT NOT TO. THEY SHOULDN'T. WE SHOULD DEMAND MORE. WE SHOULD DEMAND GOVERNMENT THAT HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW TO TRANSITION TO A LOW CARBON FUTURE. WE SHOULD HAVE GOVERNMENTS THAT TAKE PUBLIC INTEREST REGULATION AND ENFORCEMENT SERIOUSLY AND I THINK IF WE HAD A STRONGER CULTURE OF THAT, THEN SOME OF THE ISSUES AROUND THIS PIPELINE WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED MUCH SOONER AND WE NEED TO BE BUILDING A CULTURE NOT OF SAYING YES TO THE OIL INDUSTRY ANY TIME IT ASKS BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT A CULTURE THAT IMPRESSES UPON THAT INDUSTRY ITS RESPONSIBILITY.

WITH GOVERNMENTS WHO UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES AND ARE WILLING TO ENFORCE PUBLIC INTEREST REGULATION TO ENSURE THAT THESE POWERFUL COMPANIES DON'T JUST GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING AND IT'S NOT JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL, THAT HAS TO BE THERE. THERE'S — YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GOVERNOR IN MICHIGAN WHO CLEARLY FEELS THAT SENSE OF EXASPERATION AND IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON ENBRIDGE AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP LINE 5 OPEN FOR NOW WITHOUT DISSIPATING THAT REAL AND IMPORTANT PRESSURE ON ENBRIDGE TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE ENVIRONMENT AND BY LOCAL PEOPLE WHOSE ECONOMIES DEPEND ON THE SUCCESS AND THE HEALTH OF THE GREAT LAKES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. >> Voice of Interpreter: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR LACK SAINT JEAN. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I APPRECIATED MY COLLEAGUE'S SPEECH. HE MENTIONED THE ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHES THAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES SAID THAT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN 60 YEARS AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COMPARISON LIKE MY COLLEAGUE MADE BETWEEN DIETS AND POUTINE.

FOR ONE TO SAY NOTHING'S HAPPENED IN 60 YEARS, BUT THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES IO SAY THAT BECAUSE NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN 60 YEARS, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN? WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN IT COMES FROM THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL RESOURCES, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR TRANSCONA. >> THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS QUESTION. THE ANSWER IS NO. WE CAN'T SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A DISASTER IN THE PAST THERE WON'T BE UNIN THE FUTURE. ONE IN THE FUTURE AND THE BIG QUESTION IS HOW COULD A GOVERNMENT, HOW COULD ANY GOVERNMENT IN THIS CASE, THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES, EFFICIENCY, AND FOR EXAMPLE, ANHERE IN CANADA, Y CREATE A CULTURE WHERE THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE ENED? ENFORCED.

WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S LOT A LOT OF FAITH IN ENBRIDGE OR THE REGULATIONS OR THE GOVERNMENTS THAT SHOULD BE ENFORCING ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS. AND THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND IT'S DISCOURAGING THAT WE'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT A PLAN OR EVEN A REAL WILL TO EXAMINE THE QUESTION TONIGHT. THANK YOU. [END OF INTERPRETATION] >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER FOR AS ALWAYS AN EXCELLENT SPEECH. AND ALSO FOR HIS WORK I BELIEVE HE DID PARTICIPATE ON THE CANADA U.S. COMMITTEE THAT WAS STUDYING THIS ISSUE. AND I WONDER FIRE DEPARTMENT HE COULD ELABORATE ON SOME OF THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE NOT APPEARING TO DO.

>> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR ELMWOOD TRANSCONA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION AND INDEED I DID PARTICIPATE AND IN FACT I'M THE NDP VICE-CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE. I WOULD SAY UP WITH OF THE BIG THINGS I THINK HAS NOT BEEN PRESENT ENOUGH IN THIS CONVERSATION AND IF — AND IF THE MEMBER WILL PERMIT ME SOME CRITICISM OF THE COMMITTEE AND ITS STUDY AS WELL IS INDIGENOUS VOICES AND I THINK IF WE WANT TO FIND A GOOD PATH FORWARD, WE DIDN'T MANAGE TO HEAR FROM ANY INDIGENOUS WITNESSES ON THE COMMITTEE. I KNOW I SUBMITTED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT. BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO FIND A GOOD WAY FORWARD HERE, WE NEED TO BE ENGAGING INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER. % AND THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO FINDING A LASTING SOLUTION. ONE OF THE — I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CANADIANS AND CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS IN PARTICULAR NEED TO ABSORB WHEN WE LOOK AT NATURAL RESOURCE PROJECTS IS THAT THERE IS NO LONGER A PATH AND THERE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PATH TO UNDERTAKING LARGE NATURAL RESOURCE PROJECTS WITHOUT MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT AND THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE ON WHOSE TRADITIONAL TERRITORIES THESE PROJECTS ARE BEING BUILT.

SO I THANK THE MEMBER VERY MUCH FOR HER QUESTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THOSE THOUGHTS ON THE RECORD. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. RESUMING DEBATE, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. AND I'LL BE SHARING MY TIME WITH THE MEMBER FROM MOUNT ROYAL TODAY. AND, MR. SPEAKER, I'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES THAT TRADE RELATIONSHIP SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S QUITE GERMANE TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING AS IT RELATES TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP IS LIKE BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO BOTH OF US AND SO I START, MR. SPEAKER, BY REMINDING US THAT NO TWO NATIONS ARE DEPENDENT MORE ON EACH OTHER FOR THEIR MUTUAL SECURITY AND PROSPERITY THAN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. WE ARE STRONGERING TOGETHER AND AS RECENT HISTORY HAS SHOWN DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, WE CAN RELY ON THE STRENGTH AND SECURITY BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES AND THE SUPPLY CHAINS THAT EXIST. CANADA AND THE U.S. HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST TRADING RELATIONSHIPS IN THE WORLD.

ALLOW ME TO PROVIDE A FEW TRADE FIGURES THAT UNDERSCORE THE SHEER SCALE OF OUR CROSS-BORDER TRADE. IN 2019 BILATERAL TRADE IN GOODS AND SERVICES TOTALLED $1 TRILLION, MR. SPEAKER. THAT IS MORE THAN $2.7 BILLION IN TRADE EVERY SINGLE DAY. OUR LEVEL OF ECONOMIC INTEGRATION IS UNIQUE. APPROXIMATELY 76% OF CANADIAN EXPORTS TO THE U.S. ARE INPUTS USED TO MAKE GOODS IN THE U.S. AND IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE SELL — TO WHAT WE SELL TO THE U.S. CONTAINS ON AVERAGE ROUGHLY 20% AMERICAN CONTENT. WE MADE THINGS TOGETHER AND VALUE TOGETHER. CANADA IS THE NUMBER ONE EXPORT MARKET FOR MOST U.S. STATES. 32 IN 2019 AND 2020 TO BE MORE PRECISE. APPROXIMATELY 75% OF CANADA'S GOODS PORTS TO THE U.S. THE U.S. IS THE SINGLE GREATEST INVESTOR IN CANADA. IN 2020 THE U.S. STOCK INVESTMENT IN CANADA WAS $457 BILLION, REPRESENTING NEARLY HALF OF ALL INVESTMENT IN CANADA. AND, MR. SPEAKER, LINE 5 IS PART OF THIS RELATIONSHIP. OUR ENDURING TRADE RELATIONSHIPS STARTING WITH THE CANADA U.S. FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IN 1989, AND CONTINUING WITH NAFTA IN 1994 HAS BEEN A MODEL FOR SUCCESS IN THE WORLD.

WE RENEWED OUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMERCIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMING INTO FORCE OF THE CANADA UNITED STATES MEXICO AGREEMENT OR CUSMA. THIS NEW NAFTA ADDRESSES MODERN TRADE CHALLENGES, REDUCES RED TAPE AT THE BORDER AND PROVIDED ENHANCED PREDICTABILITY AND STABILITY FOR WORKERS AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE INTEGRATED NORTH AMERICAN MARKET. THESE OUTCOMES STRENGTHEN OUR RELATIONSHIP, PROMOTE NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR CANADIANS AND SUPPORT OUR COLLECTIVE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. CRUCIALLY, THE NEW AGREEMENT PRESERVES VIRTUALLY DUTY-FREE TRADE IN NORTH AMERICA AN ENSURES CONTINUED PREDICTABILITY AND SECURE MARKET ACCESS FOR CANADIAN EXPORT ISSUES TO THE UNITED STATES.

UNDER THE AGREEMENT, CANADA AND THE U.S. OFFER TRADE ON SIMILAR TERMS AND BILATERAL TRADE IS GENERALLY BALANCED. THESE OUTCOME REINFORCE INCIDENT GRADED NORTH AMERICA SUPPLY CHAINS AND HELP ENHANCE OUR COMPETITIVENESS GLOBALLY. IMPORTANTLY, THE NEW NAFTA ALSO INCORPORATES NEW AND MODERNIZED PROVISIONS THAT SEEK TO ADDRESS 21st CENTURY ISSUES, INCLUDING DIGITAL TRADE, SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES AND OBLIGATIONS ON LABOUR AN ENVIRONMENT. OUTCOMES ADVANCE IMPORTANCE OF GENDER EQUALITY AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. THE U.S. REPRESENTS AN ESPECIALLY ATTRACTIVE MARKET FOR CANADA UNDER A REPRESENTED EXPORTER INCLUDING WOMEN, INDIGENOUS AND RACIALIZED PEOPLES AND THE LGBTQ ENTREPRENEURS.

WE ARE PLEASED TO HAVE THE — TO HAVE IMPLEMENTED AN AGREEMENT THAT PRESERVES THE ELEMENTS OF AND A HALF THAT THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO CANADIANS SUCH AS THE NAFTA CHAPTER 19 DISPUTE SETTLEMENT MECHANISMS, THE CULTURAL EXEMPTION AND THE PROVISIONS ON TEMPORARY ENTRY FOR BUSINESS — OF BUSINESS PERSONS. OUR UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES WAS RECOGNIZED IN A ROAD MAP ANNOUNCED BY THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE — PRESIDENT BIDEN ON FEBRUARY 23rd. THE TWO COMMITTED TO WORKING TOGETHER INCLUDING STRATEGY TO STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIP AND SUPPLY CHAIN SECURITY. MY COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE GOVERNMENT AND MYSELF ARE WORKING WITH OUR U.S. COUNTERPARTS TO STRENGTHEN AND ADVANCE OUR INTEGRATED BILATERAL SUPPLY CHAINS IN AREAS CREDIT KOHL TO GROWTH AND SEEKING OTHER WAYS TO CONTINUE TO BUILD TOGETHER.

THIS COLLABORATION — THIS COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTES TO THE NORTH AMERICAN COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE ON THE WORLD STAGE WHICH IN ADDITION TO CUSMA IS BOLSTERED BY OUR INTEGRATED ENERGY MARKET, LONG STANDING FOREIGN POLICY AND SECURITY COOPERATION. THE RESILIENT AND WELL BRANSED IN THE SUPPLY CHAINS. CANADA AND THE U.S. CAN BE COMPETITIVE INTERNATIONALLY WITH AN INCIDENT GRATED NORTH AMERICAN MARKET. DESPITE CONTINUED COLLABORATION AND SUCCESS, THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE CHALLENGES SUCH AS THOSE WITH SOFTWOOD LUMBER AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY. U.S. DUTIES ON CANADA'S — CANADIAN SOFTWOOD LUMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE UNWARRANTED AND UNFAIR.

THIS LONG STANDING TRADE IRRITANT EXTRACTS FROM THE COMMERCIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S., HARMS WORKERS AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS CANADA AS WELL AS U.S. CONSUMERS AND HOME BUILDERS. IN THE MEANTIME, CANADA WILL CONTINUE TO VIG ALLOWS ROCKY MOUNTAIN HOUSELY PURSUE ITS — THE COVID-19PANDEMIC BROUGHE COMPLEXITY AND DEEP INTEGRATION OF MEDICAL SUPPLY CHAINS BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S., INTO THE HAND OF HEALTH CARE WORKERS IN BOTH COUNTRIES. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP OUR INTEGRATED SUPPLY CHAINS WORKING AND ENSURE THAT PRODUCTS CAN FLOW ACROSS THE BORDERS UNIMPEDED. CANADA IS A TRADING NATION WITH THE AND IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT EXPORT DESTINATION. APPROXIMATELY 80% OF NEW EXPORTERS ARE SMEs THAT EXPORT TO A SINGLE MARKET AND ALMOST 70% OF NEW EXPORTERS CHOOSE THE U.S. AS THEIR FIRST EXPORT DESTINATION. THE U.S. IS A PROVEN TESTING GROUND FOR NEW EXPORTERS AND ESTABLISHED ONES PILOTING A NEW PRODUCT OR SERVICE. MOST CANADIAN EXPORTERS ACTIVE IN OVERSEAS MARKETS ORIGINALLY BEGAN THEIR EXPORTING JOURNEY IN THE U.S. AND THAT MARKET REMAINS ATTRACTIVE TO NEW EXPORTERS PARTICULARLY AS THE ONGOING COVID-19 PANDEMIC BOTH LIMITS INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL AND EXASPERATES THE RISK OF FAULTY BUSINESS DECISION-MAKING IN UNFAMILIAR CULTURAL ENVIRONMENTS.

THIS IS CHALLENGING BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT. CANADA'S TRADE COMMISSIONER — CANADA'S TRADE COMMISSIONER SERVICE IN THE U.S. IS CONTINUING TO ADAPT AND BRING NEW SERVICE OFFERINGS TO SUPPORT CANADIAN COMPANIES OF ALL SIZES. eCOMMERCE AND RELATED TECHNOLOGIES ARE PLAYING A CRITICAL ROLE AT THIS TIME AND THAT WILL LIKELY ACCELERATE IN THE COMING MONTHS. THE TRADE COMMISSION SERVICE IS COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING OUR COMPANIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SHIFT TO DIGITAL TRADE BY HELPING MORE EXPORTERS ACCESS ONLINE eCOMMERCE PLATFORMS AND HELPING OUR DIGITAL START-UPS ACCESS THE U.S. AND OTHER MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE GLOBAL AND TANGIBLE ECONOMY. TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE, MR. SPEAKER, CANADA AND THE U.S. ENJOYS ONE OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE COLLABORATIVE AND MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL BILATERAL RELATIONSHIPS IN THE WORLD. THE CONTINUED SAFE OPERATION OF LINE 5 SUPPORTS THIS FOR BOTH NATIONS. OUR GOVERNMENT IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO FURTHER BUILDING ON THIS FOUNDATION AS WE CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE SAFE AND HEALTHY FROM THE IMPACTS OF THE GLOBAL COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND WORK TO OUR MUTUAL ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND GROWTH. THANK YOU, MR.

SPEAKER. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR ELGIN–MIDDLESEX–LONDON. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. COMING FROM — COME FROM SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO, I UNDERSTAND THE INCREDIBLE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING LINE 5 OPENED. I'M LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT OUR AGRICULTURE, WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAWING OF CROPS, HEATING BARNS, FUEL, HEAT, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE TALK ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF JOBS. YOU KNOW, I ALSO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, WE WOULD HAVE SO MANY TRUCKS. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING 2,000 TRUCKS ON THE ROAD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 800 RAIL CARS GOING BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRIVERS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS TO. I'M WONDERING IF THIS MEMBER WOULD CO. SAY WE KNOW THERE'S A DEADLINE COMING NECKS WEEK.

DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE A PLAN B IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER? >> I THINK THE MEMBER WOULD KNOW I'D BE UNAWARE OF THE SPECIFIC PLANS BUT I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. AT THE END OF THE DAY, MR. SPEAKER, I THINK SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION WITH HER PREAMBLE. THE INCREDIBLE WORK THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN MOVING THIS PRODUCT WITHOUT THE USE OF THE PIPELINE WOULD BE AS SHE SO ELOQUENTLY INDICATED EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO AND AS THE MINISTER INDICATED EARLIER WHAT WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF RAIL CARS AND TRUCKS NOT JUST IN CANADA, BUT YOU KNOW IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL, HOW MANY MORE WOULD BE PUT ON THE ROADS. SO, YOU KNOW, YES, THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN SUGGESTIONS FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL COME TO A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES THAT WILL SEE THAT WE ARE SUCCESSFUL ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER IN MAINTAINING THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER — >> Voice of Interpreter: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR REPENTIGNY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS SPEECH. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ENBRIDGE. THE AMERICAN AUTHORITIES HAD BLAMED THE COMPANY FOR SPILLS IN MICHIGAN, BUT THERE HAD BEEN A SPILL IN SASKATCHEWAN AS WELL. NOTHING HAD BEEN DONE. EVEN IF THE COMPANY HAD SAID YES WE'RE TAKING MEASURES, THEY DIDN'T AND THEN THE PROBLEM HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN AND NOW WE'RE HAVING A DEBATE TODAY. DON'T YOU THINK THAT THIS CRISIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD CANADA INTERVENED WITH ENBRIDGE? >> The Speaker: KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS. >> HINDSIGHT IS CERTAINLY TWENTY TWENTY MR. SPEAKER AND WE CAN LOOK BACK AND ASSESS HOW WE DO ON SOMETHING A LOT EASIER THAN IN THE MOMENT. FOR ME PERSONALLY, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE MINISTER'S PASSION IN THE SPEECH HE GAVE TODAY.

THERE'S A DEEP DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ENVIRONMENT IS PROTECTED TO THE BEST ABILITY POSSIBLE. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SOUTH OKANAGAN–WEST KOOTENAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER FROM KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS. I KNOW HE HAS AN OPEN MIND WHEN IT COMES TO PIPELINE DEBATES. AND YOU KNOW HERE WE HAVE TWO SIDES THAT ARE SEEMINGLY MILES APART, THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES SAYS THIS PIPELINE IS DEMONSTRABLE SAFE.

MICHIGAN THINKS OTHERWISE. I ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER OF THE CONSERVATIVE WHIP SAYING WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND I KNOW THE MEMBER LIKED IT BECAUSE HE REPEATED IT TO ANOTHER MEMBER. SO I'LL ASK HIM, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WHEN CLEARLY EVERY — YOU KNOW, THE TWO SIDES ARE SO FAR APART? >> The Speaker: BEFORE THE HONOURABLE MEMBER ANSWERS THAT QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO REMIND ALL THE HONOURABLE MEMBERS, I KNOW IT'S LAID BACK AND RELAXED, LATE IN THE EVENING, BUT IF — I WANT TO REMIND THE HONOURABLE MEMBERS TO PLACE THEIR QUESTIONS THROUGH THE CHAIR AND NOT TO EACH OTHER OTHERWISE I'LL START ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. YOU DON'T WANT THAT. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KINGSTON AND THE ISLANDS. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME? NO? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MEMBER FROM ELMWOOD–TRANSCONA PUT IT — PUT IT VERY WELL IN HIS — WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

YES, EVERYTHING IN THIS ROOM PRETTY MUCH HAS COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE NECESSITY FOR HAVING OIL AND GAS AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. BUT THAT DOESN'T IN MY OPINION NEGATE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE AS CONSCIOUSOUS AND ENVIRONMENTALLY CITIZEN ACTIVE AS WE AIM TO REACH NET NEUTRALITY. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT BE DOING? WELL, I WOULD EXPECT THAT ANY GOVERNMENT, NOT JUST THIS GOVERNMENT, WOULD BE WORKING WITH THEIR COUNTERPARTS. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT ALWAYS HAPPENING IN THE PUBLIC. TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT, COME TO A COMPROMISE, A SETTLEMENT THAT CAN BE BOTH PRODUCTIVE AND MEANINGFUL ON BOTH SIDES, TRYING TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM AS BOTH SIDES SEE AND LIKE WE WOULD IN ANY NEGOTIATION SO THAT THIS PROJECT CAN CONTINUE TO DELIVER THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF SERVICE THAT IT IS DELIVERING RIGHT NOW THROUGHOUT BOTH CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES.

SO I TRUST THAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS WORKING REALLY HARD AND IN PARTICULARLY THIS MINISTER ON THIS ISSUE. >> The Speaker: RESUME DEBATE, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE MINISTER OF LABOUR. >> Voice of Interpreter: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. IT IS A PLEASURE FOR ME TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING FOR WHICH ALL THE PARTIES ARE IN AGREEMENT. WE NEED TO DO ALL WE CAN TO CONTINUE THE OPERATIONS OF LINE 5. I HAVE A PLEASURE OF BEING PART OF THE COMMITTEE FOR CANADA AND THE U.S. AND IT WAS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH THE BLOC, THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE NDP TO SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE GOVERNMENT. SARNIA-LAMBTON FREQUENTLY JOINED THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE THIS AFFECTING HER RIDING ALMOST MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.

THIS IS ABOUT JOBS. THIS IS ABOUT ECONOMIC SECURITY FOR CANADIANS. THIS IS ABOUT THE PRICE WE PAY FOR THINGS LIKE GAS AND THIS IS ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR CLOSEST ALLY. SO HOW DID WE GET HERE? WHAT IS LINE 5? 645-MILE PIPELINE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1953. IT WAS BUILT LONG BEFORE MOST OF US WERE BORN. WHEN DWIGHT EISENHOWER WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. AND OFFERED A PRESIDENTIAL PERMIT. IN CANADA, LOUIS-SAINT-LAURENT WAS OUR PRIME MINISTER. THAT'S HOW FAR THIS LINE HAS BEEN CARRYING SHIPMENTS OF LIGHT CRUDE OIL, LIGHT SYNTHETIC CRUDE OIL AND NATURAL GAS LIQUIDS TO CANADA. IT CARRIES TODAY ABOUT 540,000 BARRELS PER DAY AND SINCE IT WAS FIRST ENTERED INTO SERVICE IN 1953 IT'S CARRIED APPROXIMATELY 80 MILLION BARRELS.

IT'S FROM 70% OF THE TOTAL MICHIGAN CRUDE OIL PRODUCTION. IT STARTS IN WISCONSIN, MOVES THROUGH MICHIGAN IT TO ONTARIO WHERE IT ENDS NEAR SARNIA. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED? WELL, MR. SPEAKER, A NOTICE HAS BEEN GIVEN BY THE GOVERNOR IN MICHIGAN SHE INTENDS TO END AN EASEMENT IN EFFECT SINCE 1953 PERMITTING THE CONTINUED OPERATION OF LINE 5 BECAUSE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, A PORTION OF LINE 5 CROSSES THE STRAITS OF MAKINAW. IT'S ABOUT A FOUR MILE PORTION OF LINE 5. IT'S A DUAL PIPELINE AND THE GOVERNOR HAS ISSUED A SHUTDOWN ORDER TELLING ENBRIDGE IT CAN NO LONGER OPERATE THAT PORTION OF THE PIPELINE WHICH HAS NO ALTERNATIVE. SO ESSENTIALLY SHUTTING DOWN THAT FOUR MILE STRETCH WOULD MEAN THE PIPELINE CAN NO LONGER OPERATE. HOWEVER, THE GOVERNOR CITED HYPOTHETICAL SAFETY CONCERNS. WE LEARNED AT COMMITTEE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS — FIRST OF ALL NEVER A ESCAPE SINCE 1954 WHEN THE PIPELINE STARTED OPERATING.

NUMBER 2, THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS TESTS DONE AND WHAT THEY HAVE DETERMINED FROM PRIVATE COMPANIES IS THAT THE CHANCE OF A LEAK IS LESS THAN 0.05 PER YEAR, LESS THAN ONE IN TWO THOUSAND PER YEAR THERE WOULD BE ANY LEAK IN THE STRAITS MAKINAW. THE COMPANY HAS COME FORWARD WITH AN ALTERNATIVE. THE COMPANY SAID LET US BUILD A TUNNEL, AN ALTERNATIVE AND PREVIOUSLY MICHIGAN HAD AGREED TO THIS. THE COMPANY WILL NEED A FEW YEARS TO GET THAT IN PLACE WHICH WOULD MEAN YOU'D NO LONGER HAVE THE FOUR MILE STRETCH. FOR SOME REASON, GOVERNOR WHITMER WHEN I RESPECT HAD A TOUGH TIME DURING THE RECENT FEDERAL ELECTION. BUT THIS DECISION PUTS CANADIAN FAMILIES, CANADIAN WORKERS AND ALSO AMERICAN FAMILIES AND AMERICAN WORKERS THROUGH A HORRIBLE ORDEAL BECAUSE IT RISKS THEIR JOBS AND THEIR ECONOMIC SECURITY. SO I WOULD BEG HER TO RECONSIDER.

ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, MR. SPEAKER, IS THAT LIKE OUR FRIENDS IN THE UNITED STATES, CANADA HAS A FEDERAL SYSTEM. WHICH MEANS IN CANADA WE HAVE SECTIONS 91 AND 92 AND CERTAIN POWERS ARE FEDERAL AND SERB POWERS ARE PROVINCIAL. IN THE UNITED STATES, THERE ARE CERTAIN POWERS THAT ARE FEDERAL. AND IN MY VIEW, IF ON THE EVIDENCE WE HEARD IN COMMITTEE THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN LACKS THE POWER TO TERMINATE THIS EASEMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, CONGRESS ENACTED THE PIPELINE SAFETY ACT AND INVESTED A FEDERAL AGENCY CALLED THE PIPELINE AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SAFETY ADMINISTRATION WITH EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY TO REGULAR LIGHT PIPELINE SAFETY T ACTS THAT A STATE AUTHORITY MAY NOT ADOPT OR CONTINUE ENFORCED SAFETY STANDARDS FOR INTERESTED PIPELINE FACILITIES OR INTERSTATE PIPELINE TRANSPORTATION. IT COMPREHENSIVELY REGULATES PIPELINE SECURITY. IN THE UNITED STATES, LIKE IN CANADA, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE WHICH MEANS IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENTERS INTO AN AREA OF JURISDICTION, THE STATE CANNOT BY ITS ACTIONS TRUMP THE FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

SO HAVING ENACTED THE PIPELINE SAFETY ACT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL IF WE MAY USE THAT WORD FOR THE GOER OF MICHIGAN TO REVOKE THE EASEMENT BECAUSE ALL OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS FROM THE PIPELINE ARE DEALT WITH THROUGH REGULATIONS. THEY HAVE CONFIRMED AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THEIR REVIEWS AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT REVIEWS DONE THAT THE DUAL PIPELINES WHICH ARE THE TWO LINES LAYING UNDER THE STRAITS OF MAKINAW ARE FIT FOR SERVICE AND SAFE TO OPERATE.

AND THAT, MR. SPEAKER, IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I REITERATE SINCE STARTING OPERATIONS OVER 65 YEARS AGO, THESE PIPELINES HAVE NEVER RELEASED ANY PRODUCT INTO THE STRAITS OF MAKINAW. ANOTHER ISSUE, MR. SPEAKER, CONSTITUTIONALLY IS WHO GETS TO REGULATE INTERSTATES AND FOREIGN COMMERCE. IN THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS EXCLUSIVELY RESPONSIBLE FOR REGULATING INTERSTATE COMMERCE. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT HERE, MR. SPEAKER, THAT THIS DOES NOT GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF STATES. AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE, THE LINE 5 ORIGINATES IN WISCONSIN. IN SUPERIOR WISCONSIN. IT GOES INTO MICHIGAN AND RECEIVES PRODUCT AT LUSTON WHERE LOCAL MITCH CRUDE OIL IS COLLECTED AND TRANSPORTED TO U.S. AND CANADIAN REFINERIES. BY THE WAY, IT TRANSPORTS 14,00L PER DAY. THEY THEN TAKE THE OIL THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONLY TO SARNIA, BUT ALTHOUGH TO THE MARATHON DETROIT REFINERY AND WOULD REFINERIES IN OHIO.

IN ADDITION, IN ONTARIO, THE PIPELINE IS CONNECTED TO OTHER PIPELINES THAT TRANSPORT CRUDE TO PENNSYLVANIA AND TO MY HOME IN MONTREAL, QUÉBEC. IT'S HARD TO ARGUE, MR. SPEAKER, THAT THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE INTERSTATE COMMERCE, WISCONSIN, OHIO, MICHIGAN, PENNSYLVANIA. THAT IS MORE THAN ONE STATE. AND IT'S DEFINITELY COMMERCE. SO MY FEELING, MR. SPEAKER, IS THIS IS UNDER FEDERAL JURISDICTION AND LET'S LOOK AT INTERNATIONAL. THERE'S NO DISPUTE THAT INTERNATIONAL COMMERCE IS FEDERAL. AND THE UNITED STATES HAS EVEN ENTERED INTO PIPELINE TREATIES WITH CANADA, INCLUDING IN 1977 PIPELINE TREATY THAT ASSURED THE CONTINUED OPERATION ACROSS THE BORDER. WHICH SHOULD NOT BE ENDED BY ANY ONE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS. >> Voice of Interpreter: THE RELATIONS BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S., WE CLEARLY CAN'T HAVE DIFFERENT STATES THAT HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WITH A PIPELINE THAT GOES ACROSS INTERNATIONAL BORDERS.

SAME THING BETWEEN DIFFERENT STATES. MICHIGAN SHOULD NOT HAVE THE POWER TO STOP OIL BETWEEN WISCONSIN, OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA. THERE SHOULD BE RULES THAT ARE CLEAR, SPECIFIC, AND EASILY APPLICABLE TO ALL THE DIFFERENT STATES. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S A FEDERAL POWER IN THE UNITED STATES. [END OF INTERPRETATION] MR. SPEAKER, GIVEN THAT THERE'S A CONGRESSIONAL LAW, A LAW PASSED BY BOTH THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE THAT DEALS WITH THIS ISSUE AND EXCLUSIVELY REGULATES THE SAFETY OF THE PIPELINE, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS A PIPELINE THAT GOES BETWEEN FOUR DIFFERENT STATES, AT LEAST, GIVEN THAT IT IS A PIPELINE THAT TRAVERSES INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ENTERED INTO A AN AGREEMENT WITH CANADA AND ISSUED A PRESIDENTIAL PERMIT FOR THIS PIPELINE, I WOULD ARGUE LEGALLY THAT ENBRIDGE IS CORRECT IN ITS PLEADINGS IN THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN AND THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO END THE EASEMENT OR CEASE OPERATIONS.

IT WOULD BE UP TO MICHIGAN TO SEEK AN WORLD OF COURT TO STOP THE PIPELINE FROM OPERATING. IN THE MEANTIME WE NEED TO BE TEAM CANADA. WE NEED TO APPEAL TO STATE LEGISLATURES IN MICHIGAN AND ELSEWHERE, ESPECIALLY THE STATES IMPACTED BY THE GOVERNOR'S DECISION. WE NEED TO APPEAL TO FELLOW LEGISLATORS IN WASHINGTON FROM THE PRIME MINISTER TO THE PRESIDENT TO ALL OF US, TO OUR FELLOW LEGISLATORS LETTING THEM KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS PIPELINE IS TO CANADA AND PERHAPS TO THEIR STATES WHICH THEY ARE UNAWARE OF.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO PROTECT THE JOBS OF CANADIANS AND AMERICANS TO PROTECT THE CONTINUED OPERATIONS OF PIPELINE THAT IS OPERATED SAFELY FOR OVER 65 YEARS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR REFINERIES IN CANADA DO NOT LOSE — THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. [ PLEASE STAND BY ] THE MEMBER CAN COMMENT AND THROUGH YOU, CHAIR, HOW THEY WOULD ACTUALLY FIND — GET THE FEED STOCK FOR THEIR PROPANE IF IT WEREN'T FOR THIS PIPELINE, IF IT WERE TO SHUT DOWN. >> The Speaker: THE HONORABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE MINISTER OF LABOUR. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I DIDN'T SAY THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PROGRESS OVER FIVE MONTHS IN MY SPEECH. WHAT I SAID IS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE OPERATIONS OF THE PIPELINE. I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE MEMBER AND WE HEARD, AT COMMITTEE HOW AGGRESSIVELY THE GOVERNMENT AND OUR AMBASSADOR TO WASHINGTON AND OTHERS ARE IN TERMS OF MAKING THIS VERY CLEAR TO THE AMERICANS. BUT WHAT THE SAVING GRACE IS, MR.

MR. SPEAKER, IS THAT ENBRIDGE HAS TAKEN MICHIGAN TO COURT AND MADE IT VERY CLEAR THEY WILL NOT CEASE OPERATING THE PIPELINE. MICHIGAN HAS NOT SECURED AN INJUNCTION TO STOP THE PIPELINE FROM OPERATING. I THINK THE CASE THAT ENBRIDGE HAS MADE IS VERY STRONG. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN WASHINGTON UNDERSTANDS AND CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS PIPELINE MUST CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND I'M FULLY IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO DO SO.

>> The Speaker: [ Voice of Interpreter ] QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR LAC-SAINT-JEAN. >> Voice of Interpreter: THANK YOU, SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE. HE USED THE SAME ARGUMENT AT HIS — AS THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES SAYING THAT NOTHING HAD HAPPENED IN SIXTY YEARS TO LINE 5, BUT AS I SAID EARLIER, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED BESIDE VESUVIUS SAID NOTHING HAS HAPPENED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND THERE'S ALSO A FILM WITH — MADE BY CASSIEVIC AND HE SAID, IT'S NOT WHEN SOMEONE FALLS THAT IT HURTS, IT'S WHEN THEY HIT THE GROUND. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS ARGUMENT HOLDS WATER TO SAY THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING — HAS HAPPENED FOR SIXTY YEARS. HOW DOES THAT PROVE THAT SOMETHING MIGHT NOT HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS WITH LINE # 5? >> The Speaker: [ Voice of Interpreter ] THANK YOU.

THE HONORABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE MINISTER OF LABOUR. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD SAY TO MY HONORABLE COLLEAGUE FROM LAC-SAINT-JEAN THAT I ALSO APPRECIATE HIM A GREAT DEAL. IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE THAT THERE'S BEEN A BREAK IN 65 YEARS. IT'S THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF STUDIES CONDUCTED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS INCLUDING ONE THAT WAS DONE BY DYNAMIC RISK ASSESSMENTS IN 2017 THAT SAID THAT THE RISK OF THE PIPELINE FRACTURE OR LEAK IS SOMETHING LIKE 0.00467%. SO THAT IS THE KIND OF RISK THAT THERE MIGHT BE A BREAK OR A LEAK. AND THAT'S A STUDY FROM 2017. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR FREDERICTON. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTARY AROUND HOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT PIPELINE DEBATE, THAT THIS IS VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, A STATUS QUO PIPELINE. AND THE MEMBER REFERENCED THE ORIGINS OF LINE 5 BEING BUILT IN 1953. I THINK OF ERODING INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE LINE 5 THROUGHOUT THE USA AND CANADA AND CONSIDERING THE SHUTDOWN OF LINE 5 IS IMMINENT IN AN EMERGENCY DEBATE WITHOUT AN ALTERNATIVE, HAS THE GOVERNMENT FAILED IN INITIATING THE TRANSITION? AT THE VERY LEAST MITIGATING A VERY WORST SCENARIO AND THIS IS CASE IN POINT THAT THE STATUS QUO IS NOT WORKING? THANK YOU, MR.

SPEAKER. >> The Speaker: THE HONORABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY. >> THANK YOU TO MY HONORABLE COLLEAGUE. I THINK WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A TRANSITION, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT TRANSITION IS GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. THERE ARE MANY CANADIANS THAT RELY ON THE GOOD JOBS AND THE INCOME THAT COME FROM THE OIL THAT'S DELIVERED IN THE PIPELINE AND OTHER LIQUIDS THAT ARE DELIVERED ON THE PIPELINE AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO GET SHUT DOWN TOMORROW OR IMMINENTLY. I BELIEVE THE LEGAL CASE IS I TRIED TO ILLUSTRATE IN MY PRESENTATION IS A VERY, VERY GOOD ONE AND I THINK THE GOVERNOR IN MICHIGAN LACKS THE POWER TO DO THIS.

WE NEED, OF COURSE, TO ENSURE THE U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES AN INTERVENTION, BUT THE COURTS IN THE UNITED STATES THAT I TRUST WILL MAKE SURE THAT AN ILLEGAL ACTION SUCH AS TRYING TO END ANISEMENT ILLEGALLY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. >> The Speaker: RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE. [ Some Applause ] >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. FIRST OF ALL, I'M HUMBLED TO BE IN THIS DEBATE TONIGHT. I KNOW SO MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE EMERGENCY AROUND LINE 5 AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING SO MANY OF THEM. WE DO HAVE THE GOOD LIST OF SPEAKERS BUT NOT NEARLY AS MANY AS WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND THEY'VE BEEN ADVOCATES FOR THIS INDUSTRY FOR YEARS, ADVOCATES FOR HOW WE BENEFIT ACROSS CANADA FROM THE RICHES AND THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVANCES THAT COME WITH THE ENERGY INDUSTRY. THANK YOU TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES FOR BEING SUCH GREAT ADVOCATES BEFORE I CAME HERE AS WELL. IF I HAD TO CRITICIZE THIS GOVERNMENT'S APPROACH, IT WOULD BE A TARGET-RICH ENVIRONMENT AS FAR AS HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH ENERGY IN THIS COUNTRY.

BUT PARTICULARLY WITH LINE 5. WE HAVE JUST COME THROUGH SOMETHING WHERE WE'VE HAD MONTHS TO DEAL WITH THIS, BUT IF I HAD TO PICK ONE, AND I'M GOING TO START WITH ONE FAILURE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT, IT IS THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP. A NEW UNITED STATES PRESIDENT IS SITTING IN WASHINGTON. A NEW BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SUPPOSEDLY AND YET WHERE IS CANADA AND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP? STEEL AND ALUMINUM TRADE, STILL CONSTRAINED. SOFTWOOD LUMBER AGREEMENTS, NOT TO BE HEARD. BUY AMERICA. SO MUCH FOR CUSMA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. KEYSTONE XL, CANCELLED ON DAY ONE. SO MUCH FOR ENERGY SECURITY. SO MUCH FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRESS. SO MUCH FOR NORTH AMERICAN JOBS AND SO MUCH FOR INDIGENOUS ADVANCEMENTS.

THE PRIME MINISTER'S RESPONSE TO KEYSTONE XL WAS HE WAS DISAPPOINTED. BUT HE WAS CLEARLY NOT ENGAGED. WITH A SHRUG, HE MOVED ON ALONG WITH HIS MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES TO OTHER THINGS. EFFECTIVELY ALL THE PROGRESS THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS BROUGHT TO ENERGY ADVANCES QUICKLY SHRUGGED, LET'S MOVE ON. OF COURSE THIS IS THE PRIME MINISTER. HE'S NOT REALLY INVOLVED WITH THIS FILE. IT'S BEEN DELEGATED TO HIS MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES SO LEADERSHIP AND ACCOUNTABILITY HAVE BEEN PUSHED DOWN A LEVEL. NOW AS MUCH AS ANYONE IN THIS HOUSE, I ADMIRE THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES WORDS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF AN INDUSTRY THAT CONTRIBUTES MORE TO CANADIANS THAN ANY OTHER INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTRY. BUT I'VE HEARD HIS WORDS REPETITIVELY. I HEARD HIS PROTESTS ABOUT HOW HARD HE TRIED ON KEYSTONE XL AND IT REMINDED HIM THEN THAT THIS TRYING AND FAILING WAS BECOMING REPETITIVE WITH HIS CABINET COLLEAGUES. HIS CHEERLEADING HAS BEEN FAILING — FALLING ON DEAF EARS WITH HIS GOVERNMENT'S LEADERSHIP WHO ARE SAYING ONCE AGAIN JUST LIKE ON TECH FRONTIERS PROJECT WITHDRAWAL, LET'S JUST MOVE ON.

AND BEFORE I MOVE ON ANY FURTHER, MR. SPEAKER, I NEED TO TELL YOU THAT I'M SPLITTING MY TIME TONIGHT WITH THE MEMBER FROM SARNIA-LAMBTON. AT THAT POINT, MONTHS AGO, SPOKE WITH THE MINISTER ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SOLVING LINE 5 AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. TIME AND UNCERTAINTY IS OUR ENEMY. ELEVATE THE SURGENCY. DISAPPOINTMENT, A SHRUG AND LETS MOVE ON ARE REPETITIONS THAT CANADIANS DON'T WANT TO HEAR YET AGAIN. IT'S NOW MAY 6TH. AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, SIX DAYS FROM THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN WANTS TO SHUT LINE 5. IN THE U.S. COURTS, THIS MATTER MAY BE, MAY BE, HELD IN ABEYANCE UNTIL THE COURT JURISDICTION IS DECIDED AND THE MEDIATION PROCESS BETWEEN THE PARTIES IS COMPLETED.

I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT THIS MEDIATION WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE FEDERAL COURT JUDGE. BEFORE THAT, THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN'S ADMINISTRATION WOULDN'T EVEN RETURN THE CALLS FROM THE COMPANY OR THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. YESTERDAY, GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN SAID SHE WOULD IGNORE THE LEGAL PROCESS AND SHUT DOWN LINE 5 ON MAY 12th. TOUGH NEGOTIATING. AND THE MINISTER SAYS PHRASES LIKE, THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. NO STONE UNTURNED. THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM KEYSTONE XL. YOU CAN SEE HOW CANADIANS ARE BECOMING WARY OF THE MINISTER'S WORDS. THE SAME APPROACH THIS MINISTER FAILED AT ON SEVERAL RESOURCES FILES NEEDS TO CHANGE. SANITY IS DEFINED AS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT — INSANITY. THE MINISTER MUST KNOW IT'S BEYOND TIME TO MOVE THIS FILE OFF OF HIS DESK AND ONTO HIS BOSS' DESK. THIS IS NOT JUST A NATURAL RESOURCE FILE. MY PARTY'S LEADER LED OUR DEBATE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE HE KNOWS THIS ISSUE IS NOT JUST A NATURAL RESOURCES FILE. IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT TO THIS WHOLE COUNTRY, TO CANADIANS ACROSS THIS WHOLE COUNTRY, BUT IT CROSSES SO MANY DEPARTMENTS.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS, INTERNATIONAL TRADE, TRANSPORT AND ENERGY. WE NEED A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH TO SOLVING THIS ISSUE. MY LEADER IS IN THE DEBATE. WHERE IS THE MINISTER'S LEADER? THE PRIME MINISTER. NOT HERE. NOT WORKING ON THIS FILE. NOT ENGAGED IN AN ISSUE THE OUTCOME OF WHICH AFFECTS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS. THE CANADIAN ECONOMY, A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR MAJOR TRADE PARTNER, IT'S LONG PAST DUE. THE PRIME MINISTER NEEDS TO GET OFF HIS HANDS AND ENGAGE ON THIS FILE. PICK UP THE PHONE TO THE PRESIDENT, I WOULD SAY.

FLY DOWN TO MEET THE PRESIDENT. THIS IS YOUR NEW IMPROVED POLITICAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S. PRESIDENT. IT'S TIME TO PLAY THAT RELATIONSHIP CARD. SHOW US IT EXISTS AND IT HAS SOME CURRENCY. WE'VE SEEN THIS GOVERNMENT ACT ON FILES WHEN IT FELT IT SHOULD BE ACTIVE. WE'VE SEEN A FULLSOME REACTION TO SOME TRADE ISSUES. WE'VE SEEN THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS GOVERNMENT TAKE ACTIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND EXCEPT THE DEMOCRATIC NORMS IN ORDER TO SAVE JOBS IN ONE ENGINEERING COMPANY.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN ENOUGH ABOUT THE CANADA-U.S. BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP, BUT THAT IS A HUGE CASUALTY IN THIS FILE. LAST YEAR, WE WATCHED THE GOVERNMENT ACCEPT THAT IT HAD BADLY NEGOTIATED A RENEWED NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. REAL NEGOTIATORS SAW THROUGH OUR TEAM'S VIRTUAL SIGNALLING AND INABILITY TO SOLVE DIFFICULT ISSUES. I LISTENED, AS OUR LEAD MINISTER ON THE FILE STATED, THAT HER GREATEST SUCCESS WAS REMOVING THE ENERGY SHARING AGREEMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS TEXT OF NAFTA.

I KNEW THEN THAT THIS GOVERNMENT DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF TRADE BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT'S DECISIONS ON KEYSTONE AND MAYBE THE IGNORANCE ON LINE 5, CANADA'S ENERGY TRADE WITH OUR DOMINANT PARTNER TRADING, IS EXPENDABLE. THAT'S NOT COMFORT. THAT IS REAL RISK. CANADA-U.S. TRADE WAS SOLIDIFIED THREE DECADES AGO BY LEADERS ON BOTH SIDES THAT UNDERSTOOD HOW STRONG WE WERE TOGETHER. THE GOVERNMENT ALLUDE TO A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION. WELL, PROVE IT. IT NEEDS TO BE UTILIZED. THE INITIAL RESULTS ARE VERY DISCOURAGING. HERE'S THE RISKS: OUR AMERICAN COURTS, FEDERAL OR STATE COURTS, NOW GOING TO DECIDE CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY.

WE KNOW LOCAL COURTS IN THE U.S. CAN BE PAROCHIAL. JUDGES MAKE MISTAKES. THEY TAKE YEARS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO UNWIND THROUGH COURTS AND LEGISLATURES. WHAT IS THE WORTH OF TRADE AND SECURITY AGREEMENTS WE HAD MADE WITH OUR LARGEST TRADING PARTNER? WHO BENEFITS FROM ALL THIS CONFUSION? WHO BEARS THE COSTS? FARMERS, WORKERS, CANADIANS AND AMERICANS, CONSUMERS AND ENERGY SECURE CONTENTS. THE RULE OF INTERNATIONAL LAW OF THE ENVIRONMENT. THESE ARE ALL LOSERS IN THIS EQUATION IF WE FAIL AT THIS. IRONICALLY, SOME OF THE PIPELINE'S OIL WHICH FLOWED UNDERNEATH THE STRAITS OF MACKINAC WILL GO ABOVE IT. WE HAVE BEEN POUNDING THE DESK FOR MONTHS TO HAVE THE PRIME MINISTER ENGAGE DIRECTLY WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN ON THIS FILE. WHERE IS HE? THANK YOU. [ Some Applause ] >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR JONQUIERE. >> Voice of Interpreter: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

SPEAKER. I COMMEND MY COLLEAGUE. HE'S A GENTLEMAN. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ANY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE RECRIMINATIONS OF THE MICHIGAN GOVERNOR ARE LEGITIMATE. WOULD HE AGREE WITH ME TO SAY, WELL, IT'S VERY WELL TO CRITICIZE HOW LONG THIS IS TAKING, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ENBRIDGE ITSELF HAS A SHARE OF RESPONSIBILITY? WHEN THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN SAYS THAT ENBRIDGE IS NOT PROTECTING THE GREAT LAKES, ASK DOES HE THINK THAT EN BRIMMING SHOULD DO MORE? >> The Speaker: THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE. >> Voice of Interpreter: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I'M SURE THAT MY COLLEAGUE KNOWS VERY WELL THAT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OIL SPILL IN THE GREAT LAKES AND I THINK THAT CANADIANS WANT TO PROTECT THE WATER OF THE GREAT LAKES. JUST LIKE THE AMERICANS DO. SO THAT IS MY ANSWER. THANK YOU. [ Some Applause ] >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR ELMWOOD-TRANSCONA.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NOT THEORETICAL IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE BOTH IN CANADA AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND THEY LACK CONFIDENCE IN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESSES AND WHILE THIS ISN'T EXACTLY THE SAME YOU, BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING PIPELINE AND AS I SAID EARLIER, NEW DEMOCRATS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF KEEPING LINE 5 OPERATIONAL TO SUPPORT THE JOBS IN SARNIA AND IN VALUE-ADDED SECTOR, YOU KNOW, IN OIL AND GAS WITHIN CANADA, THERE ARE LEGITIMATE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS HERE. AND THE — THOSE CONCERNS, BOTH HERE AND THE LARGER CONCERNS I JUST MADE REFERENCE TO, ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PLAY WITHIN THIS INDUSTRY AND ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A CHALLENGE TO AND JOBS WITHIN THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR, WHETHER IT'S A HIGH NUMBER OR A LOWER NUMBER, ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE CONTESTED UNLESS WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW MECHANISMS AND ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN.

SO, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THE MEMBER AND HIS PARTY OFTEN BOOSTING THE INDUSTRY, BUT WHAT DO THEY PROPOSE IN TERMS OF GIVING CANADIANS AND AS I SAY, AMERICANS, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER, MORE CONFIDENCE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW MECHANISMS? >> The Speaker: THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE. >> I THANK MY COLLEAGUE VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. IT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT CANADIANS DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW STANDARDS THAT ARE BOTH PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL. MOST PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE ONEROUS AND OVERLAP AND THEY TAKE YEARS, AND I THINK SOMETIMES THEY TAKE DECADES TO GET THROUGH.

SO THERE IS A VERY ROBUST, I THINK, AS FAR AS THE WORLD GOES, CANADA HAS THE MOST ROBUST ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW REGIME KNOWN ACROSS MANY JURISDICTIONS. SO I'M CHALLENGED BY THE SUPPOSITION OF MY COLLEAGUE'S COMMENTS WHICH DOES SEEM TO BE BEYOND REALITY PERHAPS THE NARRATIVE BUT I HAVE YET TO HEAR FROM A CANADIAN THAT SAYS THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS IS TOO SHORT. THANK YOU. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS EXAMINE COMMENTS. THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY SHEPHERD. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE MEMBER FINALLY HAD A SPEECH REALLY DEDICATED TO WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING EXACTLY NOW TO SAVE LINE # 5 AND ENSURE THESE GOOD PAYING ENERGY JOBS STAY IN CANADA AND THAT CUSTOMERS, CONSUMERS IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC CONTINUE TO HAVE AMPLE SUPPLY OF ENERGY SO THEY CAN LIVE THEIR LIVES LIKE THEY'VE BEEN LIVING THEM FOR THE LAST FEW DECADES.

YOU KNOW, I LISTEN TO THE WEST OF CENTRE PODCAST WHERE WE HAD THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES ON IT AND HE TALKED A REALLY GREAT GAME. THEY WERE DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS. THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED. I WONDER IF THE MEMBER COULD RATE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES MINISTER IN THIS CURRENT CRISIS WITH THE POTENTIAL SHUTDOWN OF LINE 5 IN THE NEXT WEEK AND A HALF. >> The Speaker: HONORABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE.

>> I THANK MY HONORABLE COLLEAGUE FOR THE QUESTION AND THIS MINISTER, AS I SAY, IN A SPEECH, THE MINISTER HAS UNFORTUNATELY LET DOWN CANADIANS ON SO MANY FILES. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN HIS HOUSE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. I'VE BEEN WORKING SOLIDLY ON THE NATURAL RESOURCE FILE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW. EVER SINCE I WAS NAMED THE SHADOW MINISTER FOR NATURAL RESOURCES, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER. SINCE SEPTEMBER, WE'VE HAD FAILURES ON SO MANY FILES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THE FINNS, "H" MINISTER, IF HE WOULD HAVE TO REACH ACROSS TO MY OFFICE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUCCEEDING ON BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE SUCCESSES. ALL THE BIG PROJECTS ARE FAILED. KEYSTONE XL FAILED. WE'RE SLOWING DOWN ON TMX. WE'RE FAILING ON LINE 5 NOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE.

WE'RE FAILING ON KEYSTONE XL TRANS MOUNTAIN, TECH FRONTIER. THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS THAT SHOULD HAVE ADVANCED IN THIS PARLIAMENT AND HAVE NOT MET THE BAR WITH THIS MINISTER AND I THINK HE'S CHALLENGED BY GETTING HIS PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT THIS COUNTRY THROUGH RELUCTANT CABINET ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE. THANK YOU. >> The Speaker: RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERY MEMBER THAT IS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT DEBATE SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW SERIOUS THIS IS. OBVIOUSLY FROM MY RIDING OF SARNIA-LAMBTON, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS ISSUE. AS MANY HAVE SAID TONIGHT, THERE ARE THREE REFINERIES AND MULTIPLE OTHER RELATED BUSINESSES IN SARNIA-LAMBTON AND A SHUTDOWN OF LINE 5 TO IMPACT AS MANY AS 23,000 JOBS IN MY RIDING.

AND JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT US BEING IN THE PANDEMIC AND ABOUT A THIRD OF CANADIANS ARE ON THE CERB, MANY BUSINESSES ARE ON THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL PERCENTAGE OF MY RIDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE OUT OF WORK. SO I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO NOT JUST REPEAT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ALREADY IN THE HOUSE, BUT TO TRY TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION THAT EXISTS AND TO CALL FOR ACTION OF A SPECIFIC NATURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO YOU KNOW THAT GOVERNOR WITMER HAS BROUGHT THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER. THIS IS AN ELECTION PROMISE THAT SHE RAN ON. TO BE FAIR, I DON'T THINK SHE WAS AWARE AT THE TIME OF THE IMPACT TO HER OWN CONSTITUENTS. 30% OF MICHIGANERS IN THE UPPER HAND OF MICHIGAN USE PROPANE THAT COMES DOWN FROM LION 5 TO HEAT THEIR HOMES IN THE WINTER TIME. WE KNOW THAT MANY OF THE TRADE UNIONS THAT GOT GOVERNOR WITMER ELECTED ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO LOSE WORK OVER THE FACT THAT THE TUNNEL PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO RESOLVE ANY OUTSTANDING CONCERNS ABOUT THE PIPELINE, THAT'S A $500 MILLION TUNNEL PROJECT THAT WOULD, IN FACT, ENCASE THE PIPELINE BELOW THE STRAITS OF MACKINAC AND ELIMINATE THE RISK TOTALLY.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE. I'VE HEARD MEMBERS TALK ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS NO PREDICTOR OF THE FUTURE. BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IN USE IN MANY PLACES AROUND THE WORLD AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY PIPELINES THAT ARE BUILT UNDER THE WATER AND NOT JUST SMALL SECTIONS OF 50 KILOMETRES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE STRAITS OF MACKINAC BUT THOUSANDS OF KILOMETRES. AND, IN FACT, GOVERNOR WHITMER IS LIKELY UNAWARE THAT THERE ARE EIGHT OTHER PIPELINES THAT RUN UNDERNEATH THE RIVER IN MY RIDING TO UNDERNEATH THE ST.

CLAIRE RIVER WHO HAVE MICHIGAN ON THE OTHER SIDE, SOME OF WHICH BELONG TO ENBRIDGE AS WELL. THIS TECHNOLOGY IS SAFE. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF YOU KNOW THAT KNOW MY BACKGROUND AS A CHEMICAL ENGINEER, I HAVE LOOKED AT ALL THE REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT LINE 5. THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY DOES REGULAR MONITORING AND REGULAR INSPECTIONS AND AUDITS ON THIS LINE. THE SAFETY DEPARTMENT ALSO REGULATES THIS LINE AND INSPECTS THE LINE AND FOLLOWS UP. THE STATE OF MICHIGAN IS INVOLVED IN MONITORING AND ENBRIDGE HAS ITS OWN CONTINUOUS MONITORING ON THIS LINE. THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF TECHNOLOGY THAT GOES INTO MAKING SURE THAT THIS LINE IS SAFE AND IT HAS OPERATED FOR 68 YEARS WITHOUT AN INCIDENT. SO THE IMPACT TO MICHIGAN, I'VE TALKED ABOUT.

THE LINE THAT COMES FROM ALBERTA OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AN ECONOMIC HIT FOR ALBERTA AND THIS, AT A TIME WHERE THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUNISHED BY THE BAD POLICIES OF THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, IF I COULD SAY, THE NO MORE PIPELINES BILL C-69, THE MANY CANCELLED OIL AND GAS PROJECTS, TECK MINES, NORTHERN GATEWAY, KINDER MORGAN BACKING OUT, THE KXL AND THE PETRONAS LNG. THERE'S ONGOING PUNISHMENT THERE. THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER HIT TO ALBERTA AT A TIME WHEN THEY CAN LEAST AFFORD IT. THE OTHER STATES THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED, WISCONSIN, OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA, THERE ARE REFINERIES IN OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA THAT SUPPLY ALL THE JET FUEL FOR THE DETROIT AIRPORT. MANY JOBS IN MICHIGAN AS WELL. AND SO OVERALL, WE THINK 50,000 JOBS COULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS. NOT TO MENTION WHEN YOU START TO GET INTO ONTARIO, MANY OF THE FARMERS HEAT THEIR BARNS FOR THEIR ANIMALS, DRY THEIR GRAIN, YOU KNOW, HEAT THEIR GREENHOUSES WITH THE FUEL THAT IS COMING DOWN THROUGH LINE 5.

EXAMINE SO WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY ANTI-PIPELINE, WANT TO SHUT DOWN LINE 5, I SAY, LIKE, DO YOU LIVE IN ONTARIO AND DRIVE A CAR? BECAUSE IF YOU DO, YOUR GASOLINE IS COMING OUT OF LINE 5. DO YOU EAT FOOD, LIKE, BEEF, CHICKEN, PORK, THAT'S GROWN IN ONTARIO OR QUEBEC? BECAUSE IF SO, YOU'RE GOING TO GET IMPACTED BY LINE 5. DO YOU EAT VEGETABLES THAT ARE PRODUCED IN ANY OF THESE PROVINCES OR GRAINS? BECAUSE THIS WILL BE DEFINITELY AN IMPACT TO YOU. AND IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED AS WELL THAT THE PLASTICS INDUSTRY AND MANY OF THE GREAT SMARTPHONES AND THINGS THAT WE ENJOY SO MUCH ARE A RESULT OF THE FOSSIL FUELS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THROUGH LINE 5. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HUGE IMPACT THERE AND I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THE NATURAL RESOURCES MINISTER EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT THIS IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE ECONOMIC AND ENERGY SECURITY OF CANADA. I HAVE BEEN CALLING ON THE GOVERNMENT FOR ACTION. I CALLED ON THEM TO HAVE THE PRIME MINISTER INTERVENE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN DIRECTLY TO LET HIM UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE. THE PRIME MINISTER DID RAISE IT BUT WE'VE NOT SEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN TAKE ACTION AND I'M SURE THAT'S BECAUSE THE CASE IS BEFORE THE COURT.

SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S BEING DECIDED IN THE COURT IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS ISSUE SHOULD BE HEARD AT THE STATE LEVEL OR AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THESE AMICUS CUREA BRIEFS OF SUPPORT FOR AND AGAINST THAT HAVE BEEN VISITED. FOURTEEN DEMOCRATIC STATES HAVE SUBMITTED A BRIEF AGAINST KEEPING LINE 5 OPEN AND ONE REPUBLICAN FROM OHIO HAS SUBMITTED ONE IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING LINE 5 OPEN. SO THIS IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT PROVIDE THE BRIEF OF SUPPORT AND IT'S DUE NEXT TUESDAY. SO WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. AND IT'S FINE TO SAY WE WILL DO ALL THINGS AND WE WILL TAKE EVERY EFFORT, BUT LET'S SEE THE PIECE OF PAPER SUBMITTED BY MAY THE 11TH WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. NOW, AT THE SAME TIME, I AGREE WITH THE MEMBER FROM MOUNT ROYAL WHO INDICATED THAT HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT A STATE COURT AT THIS POINT IN TIME HAS THE POWER TO FORCE LINE 5 DOWN, AND ALSO THAT THEY WILL LIKELY NOT PUT AN INJUNCTION OUT WHILE THE CASE IS BEFORE THE COURT.

AND IN TERMS OF THAT TIMING, THE JUDGE DID ORDER MEDIATION BETWEEN GOVERNOR WITMER AND ENBRIDGE AND THAT MEDIATION IS COMING TO AN END WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK AND THEN THE DEADLINE FOR THE BRIEF EXISTS AND SHE WILL HAVE TO REVIEW ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BEFORE SHE CAN RENDER A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THE CASE SHOULD BE HEARD, FEDERAL COURT OR STATE COURT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE CASE NEEDS TO BE HEARD. SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WHOLE BUNCH OF TESTIMONY THAT WILL HAPPEN. SO ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT WEDNESDAY, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS NO OTHER CONTINGENCY PLAN IN PLACE. THE TANKERS AND RAIL CARS AND TRUCKS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED, IF YOU COULD EVEN FIND THOSE AMOUNTS, BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT OF RAIL CARS IN CANADA RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF TRUCKS AS WELL.

SO EVEN IF YOU COULD FIND THEM TO TAKE THAT VOLUME, IT'S CERTAINLY ENVIRONMENTALLY WORSE FROM AN EMISSIONS POINT OF VIEW AND WE KNOW THE LAC-MEGANTIC ISSUE THAT OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, RAIL IS NOT AS SAFE AS A PIPELINE IS. SO I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS AND I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN IT COMES TO CANADA-U.S. COMMITTEE, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SIT AND GO THROUGH THAT. IT CAME WITH SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE GOVERNMENT SO THIS IS THE CALL TO ACTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GOVERNMENT TO ACT ON. IT CALLS FOR MEDIATION. THAT'S HAPPENING. THEY CALLED FOR U.S. DECISION MAKERS AT ALL LEVELS TO BE CONTACTED AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE EFFORTS OF LOBBY WITHIN OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, WASHINGTON, MICHIGAN. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THE GOVERNOR WITMER WILL NOT MEET WITH NATURAL RESOURCES MINISTER. SHE DID TAKE A CALL WITH THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION AND, OF COURSE, WITH DOUG FORD AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO PRESS ON THERE.

THE AMICUS BRIEF, AS I'VE MENTIONED, IS AN IMPORTANT SUPPORT FOR CANADA TO BRING AND THEN FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO PRESS AND IF NECESSARY, PUT A TREATY, A VIOLATION COMPLAINT, IN IF THIS CONTINUES BECAUSE THIS CERTAINLY IS A FEDERAL TREATY THAT ALLOWS THAT LINE TO OPERATE. CONTINGENCY PLANS? I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY. SOMEBODY SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT THOSE. I KNOW THE COMPANIES IN MY RIDING ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT OIR OTHER VULNERABILITIES BECAUSE IF WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT THE U.S. IS NOT GOING TO STAND AS OUR FRIEND IN THESE MATTERS, THEN WHAT OTHER SUPPLY CHAIN AND CRITICAL ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE IS VULNERABLE AND WHAT WILL WE DO ABOUT THAT? [ Please Stand By] >> AND THE — AND IN MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE, MOST OF THEM — NOT ALL.

SOME RAISE QUESTIONS, BUT MOST ARE ONSIDE. AND WHAT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND — AND MAYBE SHE CAN ANSWER THIS, IS WITH WHY THE ABSOLUTE — I GUESS, UNWILLINGNESS OF THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN TO LISTEN TO REASON ON THIS ISSUE. AND LOOKING AT THE TUNNEL PROSPECT GOING FORWARD. SO IS IT — I HATE TO USE THE WORD. IS IT JUST BONEHEADEDNESS ON HER PART OR JUST WHY THE RESISTANCE. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. IN ADDITION TO BEING AN ELECTION PROMISE THAT SHE RAN ON, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE STATE OF MICHIGAN HAS APPROVED TWO OF THE PERMITS, TWO OF THE FOUR, TO BUILD THIS TUNNEL.

WHY WOULD THE STATE OF MICHIGAN BE APPROVING THESE THINGS IF THE GOVERNOR WAS SHUTTING THIS LINE DOWN? I WOULD SAY THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE TUNNEL PROJECT IS THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE, AND I THINK SHE HAS SOME POTENTIAL PEOPLE RUNNING AGAINST HER, SO THERE IS POLITICAL THINGS AT PLAY IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THEY STICKS WITH IT. BUT I'M SURE SHE'D LOVE SOMEONE TO COME IN AND OVERRULE HER AT THIS POINT. [ Speaking French ] >> Voice of Interpreter: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SAINT-JEAN. >>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HER SPEECH. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TO HER AND HER RIDING. HER SPEECH DIDN'T LEND IN UNNECESSARY PARTISANSHIP, AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HER. AN ENERGY TRANSMISSION WON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. AND CLOSING LINE 5 WON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. BUT IN THE LONG-TERM, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS, WHICH SHE BELIEVES IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IN NEGOTIATIONS TO SAY, WELL, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT MAINTAINING LINE 5 FOREVER, WE COULD STAKE IN ACCOUNT THAT EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE TO TRANSITION TO SOMETHING ELSE.

EVENTUALLY, WE'LL HAVE TO CLOSE LINE 5. WOULD THAT NOT BE A GOOD APPROACH IN THE CURRENT CONTEXT IN ORDER TO AVOID A MORE RADICAL SOLUTION. >>> THE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. WE DO NEED A PLAN FOR THIS TRANSITION. I THINK IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME BECAUSE FARMERS WHO NEED OIL NOW ARE GOING TO NEED NEW METHODS IN THE FUTURE, AND PEOPLE WHO OWN CARS, WHO DEPEND ON GAS, WILL NEED AN ELECTRIC CAR, FOR EXAMPLE. SO WE DO NEED A PLAN. BUT I THINK IT MIGHT TAKE, PERHAPS, TEN YEARS FOR THIS PLAN, BUT WE DO NEED ONE. [ End of Interpretation ] >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR BRUCE-GREY-OWEN SOUND. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER FROM SARNIA-LAMBTON FOR LIKELY BEING THE GREATEST ADVOCATE FOR LINE 5 AND GETTING THIS LINE RESOLVED QUICKLY.

I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM LOTS OF FARMERS IN MY RIDING, AND I'D LIKE HER TO EXPAND ON HOW IMPORTANT THIS LINE 5 IS TO HER FARMERS AND FOOD SUPPLY, NOT ONLY FOR ONTARIO BUT QUEBEC AS WELL AND THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE AN EVERYDAY CANADIANS ON THEIR GROCERIES BILLS IF THIS DOESN'T GET RESOLVED ASAP. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE FOR THAT QUESTION. ABSOLUTELY FOR FARMERS THAT ARE HEATING THEIR BARNS OR DRYING THEIR GRAINS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USING THAT TO HEAT THEIR GROUSES, WHAT — GREENHOUSES, WHAT THEY'LL SEE IMMEDIATELY IS A SHORTAGE OF PROPANE. AND WE KNOW WHEN SUPPLY IS SHORT, THE SUPPLY GOES UP. IF IN THE MOST EXTREME CASES LIKE THE BLOCKADES OF THE RAIL, THERE WAS POTENTIAL FOR THESE BARNS TO NOT BE HEATED AND THE ANIMALS TO FREEZE.

THAT WAS A REAL THREAT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES. MORE LIKELY, THE COST WILL GO UP, CAUSING THE COST OF ALL FOOD TO GO UP. AND WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE STRUGGLING, ESPECIALLY THOSE ON A FIXED INCOME, SO THIS WOULD BE EXTREME, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SENIORS. >> The Speaker: BEFORE GETTING TO RESUMING DEBATE, I HAVE THE HONOUR TO INFORM THE HOUSE THAT MESSAGES HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE SENATE INFORMING THIS HOUSE THAT THE SENATE HAS PASSED THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC BILLS TO WHICH CONCURRENCE OF THE HOUSE IS DESIRES. BILL S-204. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CRIMINAL CODE AND THE IMMIGRATION HUMAN PROTECTION ACT. AND BILL S-205. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PARLIAMENT OF CANADA ACT, PARLIAMENT LAUREATE. >>> RESUMING DEBATE.

THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KITCHENER CENTRE. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND I'LL BE SHARING MY TIME THIS EVENING WITH DON VALLEY WEST. >> JUST AS IMPORTANTTALLY, IT'S ONE OF THOSE RARE MATTERS THAT MEMBERS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THIS HOUSE ARE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT. MR. SPEAKER, THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN'S ATTEMPTS TO SHUT DOWN THE LINE 5 PIPELINE TO THE STATE STRIKE AT THREE KEY PILLARS OF OUR FUTURE. STALLING THE ROBUST ECONOMIC RECOVERY WE NEED TO HELP US BUILD BACK BETTER FROM THIS GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

SECOND, BADLY BADGE THE NORTH AMERICAN — DAMAGE THE NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY SECTOR. MR. SPEAKER, WHY IS LINE 5 SO CRITICAL TO ALL THESE PRIORITIES? WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT SUPPORTS THOUSANDS OF JOBS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CANADA-U.S. BORDER. HEATING OUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES AND POWERING EVERYTHING FROM FARMING AND MANUFACTURING TO AIR TRAVEL. SECOND, LINE 5 IS CRITICAL FOR OUR CONTINENT'S HIGHLY INTEGRATED ENERGY SECTORS, LINKING CANADA'S PETROLEUM MARKETS IN CENTRAL CANADA AND THE U.S. AND THIRD, LINE 5 ALLOWS US TO GET OUR RESOURCES TO GLOBAL MARKETS, ALLOWING US TO GENERATE THE RESOURCES WE NEED IN A CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE. IN FACT, WITHOUT LINE 5, REFINERIES WOULD HAVE TO GET THEIR FEED STOCK THROUGH ALTERNATE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, PRODUCING MORE EMISSIONS, THROUGH RAIL, TRUCK, OR BARGE.

ESTIMATIONS SUGGEST THAT SHUTTING DOWN LINE 5 COULD ADD AS MUCH AS 1800 RAIL CARS A DAY IN ORDER TO TRANSPORT THE PRODUCT. NOT ONLY WOULD IT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE CO2 EMISSIONS, BUT IT WOULD INCREASE THE RISK OF OIL SPILLS. AND ALL OF THIS ADDED RISK AND ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE WOULD BE FOR NOTHING. , MR. SPEAKER, THE U.S. PIPELINE REGULATOR, THE PIPELINE AND HAZARDOUS SAFETY RAIL COMMISSION, FINDING THE PIPELINE, TO PRESERVE IT. THAT'S WHY WE'VE SUCH BROAD AND CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR THE SAFE CONTINUED OPERATION OF LINE 5.

FROM THE PRIME MINISTER TO MEMBERS OF THE OPPOSITION, ALL OF THEM HAVE COME TOGETHER AS MEMBERS OF TEAM CANADA TO SHOW THAT SHUTTING DOWN LINE 5 ON A WHIM DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AS THE MINISTER FOR NATURAL RESOURCES HAD SAID, LINE 5 IS NON-NEGOTIABLE FOR CANADA, FULL STOP. WITH THAT IN MIND, I'D LIKE TO USE THE REST OF MY TIME TO EXPLORE WHY SUPPORT ON THIS SIDE OF THE BORDER IS SO STRONG AND UNWAVERING. MR. SPEAKER, LINE 5 IS CRUCIAL FOR CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY. IT CURRENTLY TRANSPORTS UP TO 540,000 BARRELS OF OIL AND NATURAL GAS EVERY DAY THAT ARE VITAL TO HEATING HOMES AND OTHERS. PROPANE TRANSPORTED BY LINE 5 IS USED BY OUR SCHOOLS, OUR HOSPITALS, AND BY CANADIAN BUSINESSES WHO ARE HOPING TO COME BACK STRONGER THAN EVER IN THE WAKE OF COVID-19. BUT, MR. SPEAKER, IT'S JUST NOT CANADA THAT WILL SUFFER IN LINE 5 IS SHUT DOWN. MICHIGAN ITSELF IS DEPENDENT ON LINE 5 FOR 55% OF ITS PROPANE NEEDS, AND PRICES FOR PROPANE WOULD RICE 38 CENTS A GALLON IF IT SHUT DOWN. ADDITIONALLY, REFINERIES IN MICHIGAN, INDIANA, OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA, AS WELL AS IN QUEBEC, WOULD BE UNABLE TO OPERATE DUE TO A SHORTAGE OF CRUDE OIL.

THIS COULD LEAD TO THE LOSSES OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN IS CONCERNED ABOUT LEAKS, HER CERTAIN — CONCERN IS UNFOUNDED. NOT ONCE HAS IT HAD A LEEK, CROSSING THE STRAIT OF MAKINA. SEAMLESSLY CONSTRUCTED, THREE TIMES THE THICKNESS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED TODAY. COVERED WITH FIBRE RE-ENFORCED ENAMEL AND LAID IN AN AREA WHERE RISK OF DAMAGE IS MINIMIZED. FURTHERMORE, THIS STRETCH OF PIPELINE IS MONITORED USING SOPHISTICATED CAMERAS AND RAISED TO ENSURE THAT NO VESSELS DROP ANCHORS OVER THIS. FURTHER SUPPLEMENTED THE REGULAR INSPECTIONS BY EXPERT DIVERS AND REMOTELY OPERATED VEHICLES. THIS IS A STRETCH OF PIPELINE THAT FAR EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM STANDARDS REQUIRED OF IT, AND AS A RESULT, 68 YEARS OF SAFE LEAK-FREE HISTORY TO BACK IT UP.

DESPITE ALL OF THIS, ENBRIDGE HAS PROPOSED MORE STRINGENT SAFEGUARDS INCLUDING A TUNNEL LARGE ENOUGH FOR A PIPELINE SYSTEM TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE USES, INCLUDING ELECTRICITY. BRINGING ME TO MY FINAL KEY POINT. THE FATE OF LINE 5 IS A MATTER FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN WASHINGTON DC TO DECIDE. IT'S NOT A MATTER FOR THE GOVERNOR IN MICHIGAN TO DECIDE. WHY? IN 1997, WHEN JIMMY CARTER WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES — THE TREATY RECOGNIZES THAT PIPELINES ARE, AND I QUOTE, AN EFFICIENT ECONOMICAL AND SAFE MEANS OF TRANSPORTING HYDRO CARBONS IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. SECOND, NOTING THAT THE PIPELINES OPERATING AT THE TIME PROVIDED AN IMPORTANT SERVICE TO BOTH CANADIAN AND AMERICAN CONSUMERS. AND THIRD, IT STATES THAT BOTH NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS ARE CONVINCED — AND THIS IS THE WORDS IN THE TREATY, THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE TWO COUNTRIES TO ENTER INTO A TREATY TO GOVERN THROUGH PIPELINES. MR. SPEAKER, CANADA'S PREFERENCE IS FOR THIS MATTER TO BE RESOLVED IMMEDIATELY BETWEEN ENBRIDGE AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. THERE'S ALSO CONSENSUS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER THAT WE WANT A ROBUST ECONOMY, COUPLED WITH STRICT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

THIS IS WHAT THE TUNNEL IS ALL ABOUT, AND IT'S FOR ALL THESE REASONS THAT ULTIMATELY, COOLER HEADS WILL PREVAIL, AND THE MUTUALLY ECONOMIC INTEREST AT THAT HAWZ DEFINED OUR HISTORY WITH THE UNITED STATES WILL ONCE PREVAIL WITH LINE 5. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER,. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. FIRST GOING TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PEACE RIVER-WESTLOCK. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND I WANT TO COMMEND THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS SPEECH. I AM QUITE ENAMOURED WITH IT. I THOUGHT THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT SPEECH AND PUT IT IN ANY CONTEXT AROUND NORTHERN GATEWAY, TRANS MOUNTAIN, ENERGY EAST, THE KEYSTONE XL, THAT SPEECH WOULD HAVE FIT WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND YET, WE'VE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHERE THIS GOVERNMENT HAS SHUT DOWN THOSE PIPELINES.

SEEN HOW THIS GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED TO STAND UP FOR THE 134,000 OIL FIELD WORKERS IN NORTHERN ALBERTA, WHEN ALL OF THOSE PIPELINES WERE ON THE DOCKET TO BE CUT. WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THIS MEMBER'S MIND THAT NOW SUDDENLY HE IS THIS ADDERRENT DEFENDER OF PIPELINES. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KITCHENER CENTRE. >> MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS QUESTION, AND ESPECIALLY FOR HIS KIND REMARKS. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME A CONSERVATIVE HAS EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MY SPEECH, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GELLING DEALING WITH THE REALITY IN FRONT OF US. SEEING IF LINE 5 GETS SHUT DOWN, IT WILL HAVE A DEVASTATING IMPACT NOT ONLY ECONOMICALLY BY ENVIRONMENTALLY ALSO. I REFERENCED IN MY SPEECH THAT THIS PIPELINE IS VERY, VERY SAFE. IT WAS MADE SAFE IN 1953 BY THE TECHNOLOGY USED THEM, AND MADE SAFER BY THE ADJUSTMENTS AND NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ENBRIDGE HAS PROPOSED TO BUILD.

SO I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THIS PIPELINE WILL SERVE ITS PURPOSE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, SERVING AN ENVIRONMENTAL PURPOSE BY KEEPING 15,000 TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD AND 1800 RAIL CARS OFF RAILS, AND I THINK WE CAN MINIMIZE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WHILE STILL RETAINING A ROBUST ECONOMY. [ Speaking French ] >> Voice of Interpreter: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >>> THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE. THANK YOU FOR HIS SPEECH. HE EXPLAINED HOW LINE 5 SERVICES REFINERIES IN QUEBEC AND ONTARIO, AND THIS RAISES SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO CONCERNS REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY, AND I HEARD HIM SAY HOW SAFE THIS PIPELINE IS. BUT REMEMBER THE BILL IN THE KALAMATI RIVER IN 2010, ONE COULD FORGET THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN. SO IF WE WANT TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND HAVE NET-ZERO EMISSIONS, HOW DO WE RESOLVE THESE CONCERNS? [ End of Interpretation ] >> THANK YOU MR. SPEAKER. I THINK THAT THE CONCERNS WILL BE RESOLVED BY MAKING SURE THAT THE PIPELINE IS BUILT TO STANDARDS EVEN ABOVE WHO — WHAT ARE REQUIRED TODAY.

AND IF LINE 5 GETS SHUT DOWN, WE CAN SEE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF PUTTING 15,000 TRUCKS ON THE ROAD, PUTTING 1800 RAIL CARS ON THE ROAD, WITH A HIGHER INCIDENTS OF CHANCES OF SPILLS, HIGHER INCIDENTSES OF CHANCE OF ACCIDENTS ON THE ROAD. A HUGE DISRUPTION ACROSS THE BOARDER WITH THE INCREASE AT THE BORDER. TRUCKS ALL OVER THE ROAD. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN A SPILL ON THIS PIPELINE AND RECOGNIZE THE FACT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO NET-ZERO, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE INCENTIVIZE OUR TRANSPORT INDUSTRY TO EITHER GO ELECTRIC OR MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THIS, SO THIS PIPELINE SERVES ALL THOSE …

>> The Speaker: GETTING ONE MORE QUESTION IN. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR VANCOUVER EAST. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. I'M CURIOUS, IF LINE 5 IS SHUT DOWN, WHAT ARE THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT'S PLAN TO HELP THE THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS WHOSE LIVELIHOOD WOULD BE IMPACTED? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KITCHENER CENTRE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. RIGHT NOW, AS THE MINISTER EARLIER TODAY MENTIONED THAT WE ARE USING ALL OUR RESOURCES. WE BELIEVE NO STONE UNTURNED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENGAGE AT THE POLITICAL LEVEL, AT THE DIPLOMATIC LEVEL, AND THE STAKEHOLDER LEVEL.

ON OUR COMMITTEE IN THE CANADA-U.S. SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP, WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THIS CLOSURE AND ENGAGING WITH THEIR COUNTERPARTS. RIGHT NOW, THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA IS FULLY ENGAGING ON THIS FILE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO AN AMICABLE RESOLUTION TO THIS. >> The Speaker: WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE SHORT QUESTION, TAKING THAT FROM THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NANAIMO-LADYSMITH. >> WELL, THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I DON'T DISPUTE THE IMPORTANCE OF LINE 5 TO THE ECONOMY. I'VE KNOWN ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WITH THE STRAIT OF MAKINAK SINCE 2011, AND I WONDER IF IT HASN'T BEEN FIXED YET. 15 SPILLS BETWEEN 1988 AND 2012, RESULTING IN 60,000 GALLONS OF OIL SPILLED. ENBRIDGE HAS A HORRIBLE RECORD OF HORRIBLE INCOMPETENCE. 7.4 MILLION GALLONS OF OIL INTO THE ENVIRONMENT BETWEEN 1999 AND 2013. AND WE SHOULD BE HOLDING THESE COMPANIES TO ACCOUNT. IF WE WANT TO HAVE THESE PIPELINES FLOWING THROUGH THE UNITED STATES OR FLOWING THROUGH OUR PROVINCES, THEY SHOULD BE HELD TO ACCOUNT, AND THIS IS A COMPANY THAT IS GROSSLY NEGLIGENT, AND YOU WONDER WHY B.C. DOESN'T WANT A PIPELINE — YOU KNOW, ENBRIDGE NORTHERN GATEWAY.

>> The Speaker: WE'RE OUT OF TIME NOW, SO GOING BACK TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KITCHENER CENTRE. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RAISING THE CONCERNS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS THE SAFETY OF LINE 5. THAT HAS BEEN SAFE, SPECIALLY UNDER THE WATERS IN THE STRAIT OF MAKINA. I'M CONFIDENT IN ENBRIDGE, AND I THINK IT WILL BE PRODUCTIVE. >> The Speaker: RESUMING DEBATE. GOING TO THE HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AND IT'S A GREAT PRIVILEGE TO JOIN THIS DEBATE. I AM NOT IN OTTAWA. I AM JOINING IT FROM THE TRADITIONAL TERRITORY OF MANY NATIONS, INCLUDING THE MISSISSAUGA OF THE CREDIT, THE WINDAT PEOPLES, AND OTHERS, AND THIS CONTINUES TO BE THE HOME TO MANY FIRST NATIONS, INUIT, AND METIS PEOPLE.

AND I'M VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS DEBATE TONIGHT, AND I WANT TO BEGIN BY COMMENDING THREE OF THE MEMBERS WHOSE SPEECHES I HAVE FOUND TO BE QUITE INFORMATIVE TONIGHT, AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE DEBATE. I THOUGHT THAT THE MEMBER FROM MOUNT ROYAL IS ABLE TO GIVE A PASSIONATE SPEECH WITH RESPECT TO ALSO BRINGING IN A LEGAL SET OF ARGUMENTS THAT I WASN'T FULLY AWARE OF, AND I THINK ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF DEBATE IS TO LEARN. AND THE MEMBER FROM MOUNT ROYAL ADDED TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTERNATIONAL LAW ISSUES THAT ARE AROUND THIS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE LEGAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD ENGAGE IN. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PERSONAL ISSUE FOR MANY PEOPLE IN HER RIDING. I THOUGHT THAT BRINGING HER ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS HER PASSION FOR FARMERS AND WORKERS IN HER RIDING WAS REALLY QUITE EXCEPTIONAL, AND I REALLY WANT TO COMMEND THE MEMBER FOR SARNIA-LAMBTON.

I ALSO WANT TO COMMEND THE MOST RECENT SPEECH THAT I JUST LISTENED TO, THE MEMBER FROM KITCHENER CENTRE. AGAIN, HAVING BUILT UPON THE HISTORY AND LEGAL WORK OF THE MEMBER OF MOUNT ROYAL, THE PERSONAL AND ECONOMIC AND REAL SINCERE CONCERN ABOUT THIS ISSUE FROM SARNIA-LAMBTON, THE MEMBER FROM KITCHENER CENTRE WAS ABLE TO PUT IT IN A BROADER CONTEXT AND ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE CROSS PARTISAN DIVIDES AND UNITE US IN THIS HOUSE TO SAY LINE 5 IS AN ESSENTIAL TOOL FOR THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL AND CULTURAL WELL-BEING OF CANADA, AND WE NEED TO UNITE TOGETHER TO DO OUR VERY BEST TO CONVINCE THE DECISION-MAKERS INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. I SPEAK TO ALSO AS A SON OF THE GREAT LAKES. I SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE AS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM A BORDER CITY, SAULT STE. MARIE, IN ONTARIO, AND I NOTE THAT MY STAFF WROTE OUT IN PHONETICS A SPELLING OF MAKINA. I NOTE THE STRAIT OF MAKINA AND THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN. I HAVE COVERED AND BEEN A TOURIST AND A FRIEND IN MANY PARTS OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AND HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN, AND WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE IN MANY WAYS, PARTICULARLY ON LINE 5, IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT THE ARGUMENTS MADE IN MANY SPEECHES, THEY'VE BEEN QUITE WELL MADE. I WANT TO BRING IN MY ROLE, PERHAPS AS PART OF BEING THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY FOR TO THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS, IS TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE AMERICANS TONIGHT, AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE LISTENING. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CONVINCE EACH OTHER OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS LINE. SOME MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENCES. I WOULD DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED, BUT I DON'T DOUBT ANYONE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPPORTING LINE 5. CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES HAVE A LONG ENJOYED ONE OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE, COLLABORATIVE, AND MUTUAL BENEFICIAL BILATERAL RELATIONSHIPS IN THE WORLD. LINE 5 IS AN EXAMPLE OF A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS EXIT EXISTED FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS. SHARED GEOGRAPHY ON THIS CONTINENT, SIMILAR VALUES, INTERESTS, FAMILY CONNECTIONS, AND POWERFUL MULTI-LAYERED ECONOMIC AND SECURITY TIES. OUR TWO COUNTRIES ENJOY THE LARGEST TRADING RELATIONSHIP IN THE WORLD. WE DEFEND AND PROTECT NORTH AMERICA TOGETHER. WE ARE STEWARDS OF OUR SHARED ENVIRONMENT, AND WE STAND ON THE WORLD STAGE TO RESPOND TO MANY PRESSING WORLD GLOBAL CHALLENGES TOGETHER.

AS RECENTLY AS FEBRUARY 23rd, THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES COMMITTED TO A ROAD MAP FOR A RENEWED CANADA-U.S. PARTNERSHIP THAT SETS OUT A BLUEPRINT FOR AN AMBITIOUS, WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH TO THIS BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP. IT WILL ADVANCE GLOBAL HEALTH SECURITY, CLIMATE CHANGE, BOLSTER COOPERATION, DEFENCE AND SECURITY, REAFFIRM THE COMMITMENT TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND JUSTICE. OBVIOUSLY THAT PLAYS OUT IN OUR PANDEMIC RESPONSE, OUR RESPONSE TO COVID-19, WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN THIS TOGETHER. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENCES. WE HAVE A BORDER. THAT BORDER NEEDS TO BE THICK AT TIMES AND IN A PANDEMIC, WE THICKEN THE BORDER.

BUT WE ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP IT AS THIN AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP TRADE TRAVELLING ACROSS OUR BORDERS DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON RESEARCH. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON COMBATING THE VIRUS THROUGH SHARING OF VACCINES AND THROUGH THE COLLABORATION ON DIAGNOSTIC AND OTHER PROJECTS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO. AND THAT'S A TOP CONCERN OF BOTH OF OUR GOVERNMENTS. LINE 5 IS ALSO OF GREAT CONCERN. NOT ONLY SYMBOLIC, IT'S A REAL ISSUE BETWEEN OUR TWO ECONOMIES AND PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE WHO PRODUCE ENERGY IN THIS COUNTRY, LARGELY WESTERN CANADIANS, ALBERTA, SASKATCHEWAN, NEED TO HAVE MARKETS FOR THE ENERGY THEY PRODUCE. CANADA PRODUCES THE BEST, CLEANEST ENERGY IN THE WORLD, AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE ECONOMIES AND THE PEOPLE OF WESTERN CANADA. LET US NEVER DOUBT THAT THAT IS PART OF OUR JOB ALL THE TIME, TO DEFEND AND STAND WITH THE PEOPLE OF WESTERN CANADA. I'M AN EASTERNER, I'M AN ONTARIOEN, I'M A GREAT LAKES MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M ANY LESS COMMITTED TO THE WHOLE OF THIS COUNTRY, AND THE WELL-BEING OF EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY. IN THAT PROJECT, WE HAVE ENERGY THAT NEEDS TO MOVE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, AND WE KNOW THAT PIPELINES ARE THE SAFEST, HEALTHIEST WAY FOR ENERGY PRODUCTS TO MOVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

FOR FOUR YEARS, AFTER THE PEOPLE OF DON VALLEY WEST GAVE ME AN EXTENDED LEAVE OF ABSENCE BETWEEN 2011 AND 2015. UNFORTUNATELY, I BELIEVE FOR THEM AND FOR ME, I WAS ALSO ABLE TO SPEND FOUR YEARS AS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE ASTHMA SOCIETY OF CANADA. THIS WEEK IS ASTHMA WEEK IN CANADA, AND WE REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF ISSUES OF PEOPLES WITH RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES FACE. ONE OF THOSE IS THE NEED TO HAVE CLEAN ENERGY, AND THE CLEANEST FORM OF TRANSPORTING ENERGY ACROSS THIS COUNTRY IS PIPELINES. WE DON'T WANT IT CROSSING THE COUNTRY IN TRUCKS AND TRAINS AND TANKERS. THAT IS A DIRTIER, LESS HEALTHY WAY TO TRANSPORT ENERGY. SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO PIPELINES. AND DON'T — THERE'S NOT ONE PARTY IN THIS HOUSE THAT HAS A MONOPOLY ON THAT COMMITMENT. WE COME AT THIS ISSUE STRONGLY, CONVINCED THAT CANADA NEEDS TO HAVE A ROBUST ENERGY INDUSTRY, AND WE NEED TO TRANSPORT THAT ENERGY SAFELY, CAREFULLY, AND TO THE BENEFIT OF CANADIANS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

TO DO THAT, IT MEANS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR LINE 5. WHAT I HAVEN'T APPRECIATED IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT, NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE SPEECHES I GAVE, WAS A SORT OF HAND RINGING, WHINING, AND BLAMING THAT HAS GONE ON IN SOME OF THE SPEECHES. I HAVEN'T FOUND THAT HELPFUL. TO PERHAPS DISAGREE WITH THE WAY OUR PRIME MINISTER HANDLES CERTAIN THINGS, THAT'S THE RIGHT OF THE OPPOSITION.

THAT'S THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF THE OPPOSITION. BUT TO ADD CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHTS. EVEN THE MEMBER FROM SARNIA-LAMBTON WAS CLEAR TO SAY THAT THE ISSUE HAD BEEN RAISED BY THE PRIME MINISTER, AND WE HAVE TOSSED THE BALL INTO THE COURT OF THE AMERICAN DECISION-MAKERS CONTINUOUSLY, STEADFASTLY, WITH INCREDIBLE DILIGENCE AND DONE IT FAITHFULLY TO THE PEOPLE OF CANADA, COAST TO COAST TO COAST. THAT'S THE ENERGY PRODUCERS, THE ENERGY USERS, AND THE ENERGY TRANSPORTERS. WE HOLD THOSE THINGS IN A CAREFUL BALANCE TO FIND A WAY, AS WE MOVE TO A MORE SUSTAINABLE, GREENER ECONOMY. WE STILL HAVE ENERGY NEEDS, AND WE STILL NEED TO DO THAT CAREFULLY AND CAUTIOUSLY. [ Please Stand By ] WE WILL NEED TO KEEP FARMERS MAKING FOOD FOR CANADIAN TABLES. WE NEED TO ENSURE PEOPLE CAN KEEP THEIR HOMES AND BUSINESSES GOING. WE WILL DO THAT. AND WE WILL STAND WITH THEM. >> The Speaker: WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. WE'RE SLIGHTLY OVER — SLIGHTLY OVER THE 10 MINUTES AND WE'LL NOW GO TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

PERHAPS THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO EXPAND ON THOSE THOUGHTS IN THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, THE HOPABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE. >> THANK YOU,MR. CHAIR, MR. SPEAKER. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBER ON THE OTHER SIDE AND I APPRECIATE HIM BRINGS HIS ROLE OF FOREIGN FARES TO THIS DEBATE AS WELL BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I HER HIS WORDS AND I'M ASKING HIM AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DOES HE FEEL THIS WILL RECEIVE ENOUGH IMPORTANCE SIX DAYS NOW BEFORE THE DECISION IS MADE TO SHUT THE LINE BY GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN TO ACTUALLY ELEVATE IT TO THE PRIME MINISTER GETTING IN FRONT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT TO ACTUALLY MOVE THE ISSUE FORWARD? THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR SO MANY PEOPLE IN CANADA. HOW DO YOU MOVE TO IT A LEVEL OF EXTREME IMPORTANCE FOR OUR TRADING PARTNER? THANK YOU. >> THE HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. >> I THANK THE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE AND AS HAS BEEN SAID IN THIS DEBATE, THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA HAS THIS ON HIS AGENDA.

HE HAS ALREADY RAISED THIS ISSUE WITH THE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION WITH THE PRESIDENT. IT HAS BEEN RAISED IN A NUMBER OF WAYS AT A NUMBER OF TIMES. WE ALSO HAVE CABINET GOVERNMENT IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THE PRIME MINISTER IS SEIZED WITH THE ISSUE AT HIS LEVEL. HOWEVER THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES, THE MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL TRADE, THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS, A NUMBER OF MINISTERS HAVE THIS ON THEIR PLATE AND ARE WORKING IN CONCERT ALSO WITH THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. IT'S NOT ALL ON ONE PERSON'S PLATE. THAT WOULD BE AN UNWISE WAY TO ACT. THE WAY TO ACT IS TO ENSURE THAT THE PRIME MINISTER RACE IS THE ISSUE, RAISES IT WELL AND MAKES SURE HIS MINISTERS, PEOPLE AROUND THAT CABINET TABLE ARE RAISING IT WITH THEIR PEOPLE AND EACH ONE OF US. I WANT TO PUT A SHOUTOUT TO THE CANADA U.S. THE PARLIAMENTARY ASSOCIATION. THEY RAISE THE ISSUE WITH THEIR COUNTERPARTS. THEY DO THAT WITH LEGISLATURES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I SEE THE CHAIR IS IN THE ROOM. ALSO, RAISE THE ISSUE WITH THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON CANADA-U.S.

RELATIONS. THIS IS PARLIAMENTARY. IT'S GOVERNMENT. IT'S PROVINCIAL. IT'S FEDERAL. IT'S — >> The Speaker: [ Speaking French ] >> Voice of Interpreter: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> THANK YOU MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS SPEECH. HE DEFINITELY HAS A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE SITUATION IS THAT THE ACTUALLY POSSIBILITY OF A SHUTDOWN OF LINE FIVE IS UNCERTAIN FOR MAY 12th. BUT POLITICALLY SPEAKING. IT'S SUPPOSED TO SHUT DOWN ON MAY 12th BUT PERHAPS QUEBEC COULD THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING. BUT WITH REGARD TO GOVERNMENT ACTION WHAT WOULD THE GOVERNMENT DO? DO YOU TRY TO HAVE THE LINE REOPENED? OR WOULD WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO OTHER SUPPLY SOURCES? OR OTHER ENERGY SOURCES IN ORDER TO MEET THE TARGETS WITH REGARD TO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. THE HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY. >> I'M ACTUALLY QUITE RELIEVED THAT THAT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY AS THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS. HOWEVER, I AM CONVINCED THAT THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND ALL THOSE IN THE PROVINCIAL LEVEL THAT ARE LOOKING AT THE IMPORTANT WAYS THAT ENERGY FUELS OUR ECONOMY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY.

IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR IN THIS DEBATE THAT NO CANADIAN HAS THEIR HAND ON THE TOP TO TURN ON OR OFF THIS PIPELINE. THAT IS HAPPENING SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S ALSO BEEN POINTED OUT IN THIS DEBATE THAT THERE ARE LEGAL ARGUMENTS BEING MADE. THERE WILL BE COURT DECISIONS AROUND THIS ACTIVITY. THERE COULD BE STAYS AND SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE DO IS BEGIN — WE KEEP GOING ON THE DIPLOMATIC CHANNELS. WE KEEP GOING ON THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY CHANNELS AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT CANADIAN BUSINESS IS SMART. CANADIAN BUSINESS ARE ENTREPRENEURIAL. AND CANADIAN BUSINESSES WILL WORK AT THAT. THAT IS WHY IN FACT I'M NOT A NEW DEMOCRAT. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN THE MARKET'S ABILITY TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS, GOVERNMENT IS THERE TO ASSIST THOSE. WE WILL BE THERE TO GUIDE THEM AND WE WON'T LET PEOPLE GO COLD. THANK YOU. >> Reporter: RESUMING DEBATE? THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. SPEAKER. THANK YOU. IT'S WITH A GREAT DEAL OF PLEASURE BUT ALSO WITH A CERTAIN SENSE OF EMERGENCY THAT I'M RISING TODAY TO SPEAK AND I THINK IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE IF NOTHING CHANGES IN ONLY A FEW DAYS ON MAY 12th, THE CANADIAN ECONOMY, THE ENTIRE CANADIAN ECONOMY WILL BE ENTIRELY SHAKEN AND AFFECTED WHERE WE WILL LOSE THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND WHERE PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL BE AFFECTED BY A DECISION MADE IN THE UNITED STATES BUT WILL HAVE A GENUINE IMPACT ON CANADIANS.

ESPECIALLY IN QUEBEC, THAT IS THE SHUTDOWN OF LINE FIVE. MR. SPEAKER, LINE FIVE, WHAT IS IT? WELL, IT'S A PIPELINE THAT GOES FROM EDMONTON AND THEN IT GOES TO SARNIA AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND MY COLLEAGUE, THE MEMBER FROM SARNIA-LAMBTON WHO IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY ENGAGED MEMBER WITH HER CONSTITUENTS AND SHE'S LITERALLY A CHAMPION FOR THE CAUSE OF LINE 5 WORKERS.

SO MR. SPEAKER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CANADIAN OIL, IT TAKES IT FROM EDMONTON. BRINGS IT TO SARNIA AND ONTARIO AND THEN IT GOES TOWARD QUEBEC THROUGH LINE NINE. AND IT ALSO CROSSES THREE AMERICAN STATES AND ONE OF THOSE STATES IS MICHIGAN. AND THE STATE DECIDED TO SAY WE'RE TURN UP THE TAPS. THAT'S IT IN NO MORE LINE 5 ON OUR TERRITORY. MR. SPEAKER, WE'VE KNOWN THIS FOR MONTHS AND I'LL COME BACK TO THAT LATER, BUT ACTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN EARLIER THAT WERE DIFFERENT.

MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A MAJOR IMPACT FOR QUEBEC AND LIKE YOU, I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A HUGE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IN QUEBEC. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF THAT HAPPENS ON MAY 12th, THAT WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER, LINE 5 FLOWS OIL FROM SARNIA AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH ONTARIO AND IT GOES TO MONTREAL THROUGH LINE NINE AND LINE NINE MR. SPEAKER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER HALF OF THE OIL OF QUEBEC THAT IS USED IN QUEBEC THAT WOULD BE CUT OFF AND IT'S TWO-THIRDS OF THE CRUDE OIL THAT WOULD NORMALLY GO TO QUEBEC. MR. SPEAKER, I MIGHT REMIND YOU THAT IN QUEBEC AND THIS IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR BUSINESS SCHOOLS THAT PUBLISHES A STUDY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NINE BILLION LITRES OF OIL THAT AND THREE BILLION ARE USED BY INDUSTRY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 BILLION OF LITRES OF OIL THAT ARE CONSUMED IN QUEBEC AND RIGHTFULLY SO. WE SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN GREEN ENERGY IN QUEBEC AND BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THERE ARE A BILLION LITRE OF OIL THAT ARE CONSUMED IN QUEBEC PER YEAR. NOW IF UNFORTUNATELY MR. SPEAKER, LINE FIVE WAS SHUT DOWN, THAT WOULD MEAN 800 RAIL WAGONS AND THOUSANDS OF TRUCKS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE USED TO TRANSPORT THE OIL AND NO ONE WANTS THAT, MR. SPEAKER. NO ONE. THAT IS WHY IF THAT SHOULD UNFORTUNATELY HAPPEN, QUEBECERS WOULD HAVE TO TURN ELSEWHERE TO OBTAIN THAT ENERGY AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT IS ELSEWHERE? WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY OIL IN SAUDI ARABIA, FOR EXAMPLE. IN ALGERIA AND THAT, MR. SPEAKER, THAT OIL YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FLOWN OVER BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. WE HAVE TO USE THESE HUGE OIL TANKERS THAT ARE GOING TO NAVIGATE DOWN St. LAWRENCE AND I DON'T THINK THAT QUEBECERS WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE THAT BECAUSE IN QUEBEC WE HAVE TWO REFINERIES.

ONE IN MONTREAL AND ONE, SO IT'S NOT TRUE THAT IN QUEBEC THERE IS NO OIL. THAT'S NOT TRUE. THERE ARE OIL REFINERIES AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE OFF OF THAT AND MR. SPEAKER, WE HAVE TO STOP SEEING OILA GAS YOU PUT NO YOUR CAR. IT'S MUCH MORE THAN THAT. PEOPLE IN QUEBEC EARN THEIR LIVELIHOODS IN THE PETRO CHEMICAL INDUSTRY. IN THE PLASTICS INDUSTRY. WE'VE NEEDED PLASTIC OVER THE PAST YEAR WITH THE PANDEMIC. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN 40 POLLEST /* /* POLYESTER. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DAILY ITEMS THAT WE WEAR. FOR EXAMPLE OUR SHIRTS. IT'S KIND OF XHAEP. IT'S A POLYESTER SHIRT. IT'S MADE WITH OIL. OIL IS PART OF OUR EVERY DAY LIVES AND AS QUEBECERS WE LIVE WITH THAT EVERY DAY AND WE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THE SHUTDOWN OF LINE FIVE IS GOING TO HAVE MAJOR IMPACTS ON EVERYONE.

NOT ONLY PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE PETRO CHEMISTRY SECTOR, NO, BUT PEOPLE WHO WORK ON FARMS, ARE FARMERS WHO FEED US AND HAVE A NOSE THAT THE RECENT PANDEMIC HAS BROUGHT US GREATER AWARENESS OF HOW IMPORTANT FOOD SECURITY IS. AND IF WE WANT OUR FARMERS TO CONTINUE TO TILL THEIR SOIL AND FEED US, WE NEED ACCESS TO THAT FORM OF ENERGY. IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT, WE'LL HAVE TO TURN ELSEWHERE AND IF WE DON'T HAVE IT, WE MIGHT LOSE OUR CROPS, OUR FARMERS. OUR LIVESTOCK. SO, WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF ALL THIS, MR. SPEAKER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WILL HAVE A MAJOR BACK ON THE QUEBEC ECONOMY. AS A QUEBECER I'M EXTREMELY PROUD THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN QUEBEC AN EXTRAORDINARY EXPERTISE IN MATTERS OF ENERGY, NATURAL RESOURCES. WE CAN BE PROUD OF QUEBECERS OF THAT. THAT IN QUEBEC THE FOLLOWING GOVERNMENT, THE NATIONAL UNION, NATIONALIZED THE OIL AND PUT IN PLACE HYDROELECTRIC PROJECTS.

HOW ABOUT FIVE FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS OF 1958 UNDER A NATIONAL UNION GOVERNMENT IN 1962 MORE NATIONALIZATIONS AND ALSO WE CELEBRATED THE 50th ANNIVERSARY OF THE JAMES BAY PROJECTS. WE SHOULD PROUD OF THAT ENERGY IN QUEBEC. WE CAN BE PROUD OF IT BUT WE ALSO MR. SPEAKER, HAVE A PETRO CHEMISTRY INDUSTRY. IN QUEBEC, WE HAVE PIPELINES. IT'S NOT JASON KENNEY WHO INVENTED PIPELINES, MR. SPEAKER. WE HAD PIPELINES IN QUEBEC STARTING IN 1941 EVEN BEFORE THE OIL PATCH INDUSTRY IN ALBERTA DROPPED UP. WE HAVE 2000 KILOMETRES OF PIPELINE IN QUEBEC. THERE ARE NINE PIPELINES THAT CROSS THE St. LAWRENCE RIVER. THERE'S A PIPELINE THAT FLOW TO MONTREAL. THAT WAS INAUGURATED IN 2012. 240 KILOMETRES, 630 DIFFERENT TERRITORIES. AND SOME 26 PIPES. SO, YES WE HAVE THAT EXPERTISE IN QUEBEC AND THAT EXPERTISE IS COMPLEMENTARY BECAUSE IN QUEBEC WE'RE PROUD OF HAVING THIS VAST ARRAY OF ENERGY SOURCES AND SECTORS. WE STILL NEED OIL MR. SEEKER. THAT ENERGY IS ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAIN OUR ECONOMY. AND MR. SPEAKER, IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE THAT I WILL LIKE TO SAY THAT I WILL BE SPLITTING MY TIME WITH MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUE FROM PEACE RIVER-WESTLOCK. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT BUT I WILL SHARE IT WITH ME.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR REMINDING ME. SO WE KNOW THAT LINE 5 IS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE PIPELINES IN QUEBEC, YES AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT NO ONE IS IMMUNE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER BUT WE ALSO KNOW FROM PIPELINES THAT THEY ARE EFFICIENT TO THE TUNE OF 99.9%. THEY'RE SAFE. WE KNOW THAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL RECORD IT'S PRETTY GOOD. SAME THING THAT WE REALISE THAT IT IS THE SAFEST, MOST ENVIRONMENTAL AND MOST ECONOMIC WAY TO TRANSPORT OIL. MR. SPEAKER, WE KNOW THAT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS ALREADY CONTACTED HIS AMERICAN COUNTERPART BUT MR.

SPEAKER, WHEN THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SUCH A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO THE PRESIDENT, THEN IT IS HIS DUTY TO USE THAT PROXIMITY, THAT FRIENDSHIP THAT HE HAS WITH THE NEW TENANT TO THE WHITE HOUSE. FROM THE BEGINNING WE SAY YES, ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS REACHED OUT TO AMERICAN CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS. THAT'S GREAT BUT THE LEADERSHIP HAS TO COME FROM ON HIGH. THE PRIME MINISTER HAS TO PICK UP THE PHONE, DIRECTLY CALL POLICY MAKERS, CALL THE GOVERNOR. CALL THE PRESIDENT. PEOPLE WHO ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS DECISION AND WHY NOT USE THE FRIENDSHIP THAT HE HAS WITH FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA TO CONVINCE HIM TO PLAY AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THIS MATTER. THAT WOULD BE LEADERSHIP. THAT WOULD BE A RELEVANT WAY OF SHOWING HOW HE CAN USE HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA. WHY NOT? WHY OPPORTUNITY HE CALL HIM AND GET HIM INVOLVED IN THIS SITUATION WHICH IS SO CRUCIAL FOR THE CANADIAN ECONOMY. WHICH IS ALSO CRUCIAL FOR THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.

MR. SPEAKER I'M PLEASED TO SEE ALL CANADIAN PARLIAMENTARIANS ARE UNANIMOUS ON THIS MATTER BUT MORE THAN EVER WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO ENSURE THAT THIS SHUTDOWN DOES NOT HAPPEN. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. >> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM FLEETWOOD. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER, I APPRECIATED HIS SPEECH BUT I WANTED TO GO BACK TO ONE OF HIS COLLEAGUES EARLIER WHO SAID THAT THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION IN FACT DID CONTACT THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN AND I'M WONDERING IF HE CAN REPORT WHAT THAT CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT? WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT DID THE LEADERS SAY? WHAT DID THE GOVERNORS SAY? IT DIDN'T WORK OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION, BUT STILL IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT THE DYNAMICS, THE LEADER PICKED UP FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF MICHIGAN OVER THIS ISSUE.

>> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> I CAN ASSURE ONE THING, I WAS NOT WITNESS OF THIS CONVERSATION BUT WHEN IT'S TIME TO TALK ABOUT CANADIAN ECONOMY. I CAN ASSURE THE MEMBER THAT THE FIRST POINT THAT OUR LEADER ADDRESSED WITH THE PRIME MINISTER WHEN HE WAS ELECTED A NEW LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY OF ALBERTA. WHO ARE SUFFERING SO MUCH. THE ECONOMY COULD SUFFER MORE WITH THIS SITUATION. I CAN ASSURE ALSO THE MEMBER THAT THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION WHEN WE TALK WITH THE PRIME MINISTER ABOUT THE BUDGET, YOU RAISE THE ISSUE OF LINE 5. I CAN ASSURE THE MEMBER MR. SPEAKER THAT THIS LEADER IS A CHAMPION OF CANADIAN ECONOMY. AND HE'S A CHAMPION OF NATURAL RESOURCES OF CANADA. [ Speaking French ] >> Voice of Interpreter: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR St. JOHN. >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK HIM FOR HIS SPEECH. YES, WE DO DEPEND ON THE PETRO CHEMICAL INDUSTRY. WE NEED OIL. HOWEVER IN THE LONG TURMOIL IS NOT GOING TO LAST FOREVER AND BECAUSE WE CAN SEE CHALLENGES FOR EXAMPLE, WE SAW THIS WITH KEYSTONE AND TRANS MOUNTAIN.

SO IN FUTURE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T NEED MORE PIPELINES WE'LL NEED FEWER PIPELINES ESPECIALLY WHEN WE CONSIDER CLIMATE CHANGE. ISN'T IT ALSO, DON'T WE HAVE THE TAKE A REALISTIC APPROACH IF WE WANT TO MAINTAIN, IT'S NOT WITH A VIEW THAT IT SHOULD BE ETERNAL. IT'S WITH A VIEW THAT IT'S GRADUALLY TRANSITIONING TOWARDS GREEN ENERGY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR THE QUESTION. I WILL LIKE TO COMMEND HER FOR HER POLITICAL ENGAGEMENT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE OIL. AND SO WHAT THE MEMBER SAID IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO TRANSITION TO GREEN ENERGY AND THAT IS WHY MADAM SPEAKER THREE WEEKS AGO OUR LEADER UNVEILED A REALISTIC RESPONSIBLE PLAN TO TACKLE CLIMATE CHANGE AND THAT GREEN TRANSITION IS GOING TO DEPEND ON TRANSPORT AND I KNOW IN QUEBEC, THERE'S EXTRAORDINARY POTENTIAL THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT WITH AN INVESTMENT OF MORE OVER ONE BILLION DOLLARS FOR BATTERIES FOR GREEN CARS. >> MEMBER FOR ALBERNIE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE WHO I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR.

ONE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT TONIGHT'S DEBATE IS WE'RE NOT TALKING ENOUGH ABOUT SOLUTIONS AROUND THIS ISSUE. WE'RE NOT HEARING GOOD IDEAS COMING FORWARD ON HOW TO ALLEVIATE THIS LOGJAM AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHY THIS IS COMING ABOUT. THIS IS ABOUT FEAR. THIS IS ABOUT THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN AND HER CONSTITUENTS CONCERNED ABOUT A SPILL. WE KNOW ENBRIDGE HAS A TRACK RECORD OF A SPILL AND OTHER BREAKS THAT THEY'VE HAD. WE'VE SEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN KILL KEYSTONE XL. THE MONEY FOR THE FOREIGN WEALTH FUND. >> THESE ARE ALL SIGNALS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH HERE IN CANADA TO DO OUR PART.

I GUESS MY CONCERN AND MY QUESTION TO THE CONSERVATIVES IS WHY DO THEY CONTINUE TO ARGUE ON TAX BREAKS, INSTEAD OF CALLING ON THEM TO DO A BIGGER AND BETTER PART. WHY AREN'T THEY CALLING FOR MORE STRINGENT TO BUILD TRUST WITH THE GOVERNMENT? >> The Speaker: 15 SECONDS TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO ANSWER. >> I WELCOME THE QUESTION OF MY COLLEAGUE AND I WILL BE VERY PLEASED TO RECALL HIM AND I'M SURE HE KNOWS THAT. CANADAS THAT HIGHEST PRODUCTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND WE HAVE TO BE PROUD OF THAT MADAM SPEAKER AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO MORE, IS TO SELL WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. YES I'M PROUD, WE HAVE TO BE PROUD OF OURSELVES AND TO SAY TO EVERYBODY ESPECIALLY TO AMERICANS THAT HERE IN CANADA WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TO PRODUCE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. BE PROUD. >> RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PETE'S RIVER WESTLOCK. >> MADAM SPEAKER, THE PIPELINE CAN BE SHUT DOWN IN A WEEK. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT'S FAILURE TO ACT. WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THE DEADLINE FOR MONTHS AND THEY'VE DONE NOTHING.

PIPELINES ARE GETTING GOODS TO MARKET ARE TOPICS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND MY CONSTITUENTS AND UNDER THE LIBERALS WE'VE SEEN COUNTLESS ENERGY PROJECTS AND PIPELINES CANCELLED. PIPELINES THAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS SITUATION. WE'VE SEEN THIS GOVERNMENT PASS BILL C-48 AND BILL C-69. THE NO MORE PIPELINES BILL AND THE SHIPPING BILL. AND INDEED THIS GOVERNMENT'S RECORD ON PIPELINES IS BRUTAL. CANCELLING ENERGIES AND CAUSING THE CANCELLATION OF THE CARMEN CREEK PROJECT. THEY'VE LEFT 134,000 CANADIAN OIL PATCHWORKERS AND THEIR FAMILY IN THE LURCH.

WHEN THE LIBERALS STAND UP AND SAY THIS IS ABOUT JOBS, I SAY YEAH, RIGHT. THAT'S A BUNCH OF BS. THE LIBERALS ARE ASHAMED OF ALBERTA AND THE PROSPERITY THAT COMES FROM OUR NATURAL RESOURCE. CANADIANS WANT GOOD ETHICALLY RESPONSIBLE OIL. TAKE OIL WITH COUNTRIES WITH ATROCIOUS RECORDS AND NO ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTS WHATSOEVER. MEASURES THAT WE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE THE NATIONAL EAST-WEST PIPELINE, OUR CANADIAN OIL IS UNABLE TO GET ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. OUR CANADIAN OIL IS PRODUCED WITH SOME OF THE HIGHEST STANDARDS IN THE WORLD. FROM CANADIAN WEST TO CANADIAN EAST. FROM PRODUCTION FIELDS IN ALBERTA TO REFINERIES IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR ALL OF CANADA. AND HAS SEVERAL PROVINCES GET THEIR DIRECT SHARE OF THE BENEFITS OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. INDEED CANADA NEEDS MORE CANADIAN OIL, NOT LESS. WE NEED MORE CANADIAN ENERGY, NOT LESS. WE CAN SHARE OUR ENERGY. I KNOW THAT QUEBEC IS A WORLD LEADER IN HYDROELECTRICITY. WHY CAN'T WE SHARE THAT? GO BACK AND FORTH. PIPELINES AREN'T JUST SOMETHING TO TRANSPORT OIL IN.

AS WE TRANSITION FROM OIL, WE MOVE TO PRODUCTION OF NATURAL GAS. AND WHO KNOWS WHAT IN THE FUTURE WE WILL BE TRANSPORTING THROUGH THESE SAME PIPELINES. AS WE USELESS AND LESS OIL. MOREOVER WE'RE AT A CROSSROADS HERE TODAY. IN FACT WE'RE ACTUALLY ON THE EDGE OF THE CLIFF IN REGARDS TO LINE FIVE. DUE TO LIBERAL INACTION. THIS PIPELINE THAT PLAYS SUCH A CRITICAL ROLE IN THE CANADIAN ECONOMY COULD BE SHUT DOWN SOON AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE. WE COULD HAVE HAD OTHER PIPELINE PROJECTS THAT WERE INITIATED AND IN THE PIPELINE FOR PIPELINES FIVE YEARS AGO COULD HAVE BEEN IN PLAY TODAY AND YET HERE WE ARE WITH ONLY ONE PIPELINE TRANSPORTING OIL FROM WEST TO EAST. THIS PIPELINE PLAYS SUCH A CRITICAL ROLE AND IT COULD BE SHUT DOWN VERY SOON.

WITH CLOSURES OF LINE 5 THE LIVELIHOODS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS ARE IMPACTED. NOT THAT THE LIBERALS SEEM TO CARE ABOUT IT WHEN IT WAS 134,000 ALBERTANS THAT WERE LOSING THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF PIPELINES BUT TODAY HERE WE ARE WITH 5,000 DIRECT JOBS IN THE SARNIA REGION AND 25,000 JOBS IN THE SOUTHERN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. THIS PIPELINE PROVIDES 165 BILLION DOLLARS OF REVENUE AND THOUSANDS OF INDIRECT JOBS BOTH IN QUEBEC IN ONTARIO. WE CAN'T ABANDON THESE JOBS EITHER. BECAUSE THIS GOVERNMENT OPPORTUNITY WANT TO STAND UP FOR THESE JOBS. JUSTIN TRUDEAU CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE CHOOSING WHICH JOBS ARE WORTH SAVING. THE ENERGY — >> POINT OF ORDER, MADAM CHAIR. >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER I'M GOING TO CALL ON THE USE OF THE NAME OF THE PRIME MINISTER. >> HE SHOULDN'T BE NAMING THE PRIME MINISTER TO BE NICE IF HE COULD GET INTO THE DEBATE AND SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF ATTACKS. >> The Speaker: THANK YOU. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CALLING OUT THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PEACE RIVER WESTLOCK KNOWS WE CAN'T USE NAMES IN THE CHAMBER. >> THE ENERGY SECTOR IS A KEY COMPONENT AND WE CANNOT ABANDON THIS INSTITUTION AND THE FAMILIES THAT THEY SUPPORT.

THIS INDUSTRY. TODAY IS A SAD DAY AND WE MUST HAVE AN EMERGENCY DEBATE TO ENSURE THAT A PIPELINE WON'T BE SHUT DOWN. IN FACT WE'RE LESS THAN A WEEK AWAY FROM THAT DEADLINE. THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO SHUT DOWN LINE 5 ON MAY 12th. AND THIS CASE IS BEFORE THE COURT JUDGE. FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS I HAVE JOINED MY CONSERVATIVE COLLEAGUE IN ASKING THE QUESTIONS OF THIS GOVERNMENT ABOUT THEIR ACTIONS ON LINE 5. IN FACT ON FEBRUARY 24th, THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY FOR THE NATURAL RESOURCES STATED THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS FULLY COMMITTED TO THE CONTINUING AND SAFE OPERATION OF LINE 5. YET THE LIBERALS HAVE ABANDONED INACTION AND HAVE FAILED TO MEANINGFULLY ENGAGE TO ENSURE THE CONTINUATION OF LINE 5.

HERE WE ARE TODAY ONE WEEK AWAY FROM THE SHUTDOWN OF LINE 5. ARE WE GOING TO LET AMERICAN COURTS DETERMINE OUR SECURITY? SEEMS LIKE WE ARE. RIGHT NOW ENBRIDGE, THE OWNERS OF THE PIPELINE ARE IN MEDIATION BUT THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES IN EITHER SITUATION. WE CAN'T TAKE THAT RISK IN COURT AND THAT'S WHY OTHER PROJECTS, OTHER PIPELINES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT TODAY WOULD BE THE SOLUTION. THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA NEEDS TO TAKE LEADERSHIP TO ENSURE THIS PIPELINE CONTINUES, BUT WE COULD HAVE HAD OTHER PIPELINES IN PLAY TO ENSURE WE WEREN'T HELD RANSOM AS WE ARE TODAY. FOR LINE FIVE IT IMPACTS MILLIONS OF CANADIANS AND THROUGH INCREASES PRICES, GREATER TRUCK TRAFFIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS, THESE LIBERALS HAVE FAILED TO PROTECT LINE 5 AND OTHER PIPELINE PROJECTS . >> DURING A SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON CANADA-U.S. RELATIONS, THEY HEARD LINE 5 IS NOT JUST AN IMPORTANT PIPELINE IT'S AN ECONOMIC LIFELINE FOR BOTH CANADA AND THE U.S.

IT WILL IMPEDE ACCESS TO RUN BOTH OF OUR ECONOMIES AND WOULD CAUSE ENERGY SHORTAGES AND AN IMPACT ON THE PRICE OF GASOLINE, DIESEL, PROPANE, JET FUEL, PLASTICS AND CHEMICALS. LINE 5 IS NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN AND THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN CAN'T AS REFERRED TO THIS SHUTDOWN AS A TICKING TIME BOMB. WE CAN'T HAVE A PRIME MINISTER WHO SITS ON HIS HANDS AND LETS OTHERS DECIDE OUR FATE 37 .

TIME AND AGAIN WE'VE SEEN THIS DEATH BY DELAY TACTIC ON MAJOR PROJECTS LIKE THE FAILING TO STAND UP FOR KEYSTONE XL. THIS PRIME MINISTER IS MISSING IN ACTION. MUCH LIKE HIS FAILURES TO SHOW UP FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS ON THE TPP. THIS PRIME MINISTER IS THE CAPTAIN OF THE CANADIAN SHIP. WE'RE ASKING HIM RATHER THAN LET US DRIFT LODGE ON THE CURRENT THAT HE PUT HIS HAND ON THE TILLER AND PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION. WE CAN'T RELY ON AMERICAN COURTS OR POLITICIANS TO DEFEND OUR INTERESTS.

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN HOW AMERICAN POLITICIANS AND DISINTERESTED LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE MADE THE CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETION OF KEYSTONE XL IMPOSSIBLE. TO SAVE LINE FIVE WE NEED ACTION AND A POLITICAL RESPONSE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. THE SHUTDOWN OF LINE FIVE ISN'T AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE SWEPT INTO THE CLOSET. THE IMPENDING CLOSURE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND MILLIONS OF CANADIANS WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS SHUTDOWN. [ Please Stand By ] — AND ENERGY INSIDE WOULD HAVE BEEN OPERATIONAL BY NOW IF THE LIBERALS HADN'T STUCK THE STICK IN ITS SPOKES. IF THERE IS NO ACTION ON LINE 5 AND LINE 5 IS SHUT DOWN, 5,000 JOBS IN SARNIA, ONTARIO, WOULD BE LOST DUE TO OUR PRIME MINISTER'S INACTION.

ENBRIDGE LINE 5 PLAYS A KEY ROLE IN OUR NATIONAL ENERGY SUPPLY CHAIN. 15,000 TRUCKS A DAY WOULD REQUIRE — WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REPLACE THE CAPACITY OF THIS PIPELINE. THIS SPECIAL COMMITTEE HEARD FROM SCOTT ARCHER OF UA LOCAL 633 WHO COMMENTED ON THE IMPORTANCE OF LINE 5 BY SAYING, AS CANADIANS, THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. YOU NEED TO TAKE A STAND TO PROTECT CANADIAN FAMILIES, BUSINESS, AND INDUSTRY. THE CONTINUED OPERATION OF LINE 5 IS OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. IN FEBRUARY, I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT MY FRIEND JD FROM SLAVE LAKE, UPON WHAT DAY THE PRIME MINISTER WOULD PICK UP THE PHONE AND DEFEND OUR ALBERTA'S ENERGY INTERESTS AND MARKET ACCESS. WE HAVE SEEN CONTINUAL FAILURE AND LACK OF ACTION BY THIS DO-NOTHING LIBERAL GOVERNMENT ON PIPELINES, ESPECIALLY KEYSTONE XL AND NOW LINE 5. WHY DIDN'T HE ACT BEFORE THIS CAME BEFORE THE COURTS? TO SECURE OR FUTURE AND TO — >> The Chair: WE HAVE TO GO — WE HAVE TO GO TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COURTNEY-ALALBERNI.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS SPEECH. ONE THING I FEEL IS REALLY MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION IS THE VOICES OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. WE KNOW THAT THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON THE ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES DID THE INTERIM REPORT ON ENBRIDGE LINE 5. THERE WAS NOT ONE INDIGENOUS WITNESS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT REPORT. AND, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIPS WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, WHEN IT COMES TO ENERGY, TO APPLY THE UNITED NATIONS DECORATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER, THOSE VOICES NEED TO BE INCLUDED. DOES MY COLLEAGUE AGREE THAT THIS WAS A SERIOUS OVERSIGHT AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.

>> INDIGENOUS CANADIANS AND ALL CANADIANS NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. AS A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT WHO REPRESENTS OVER 15 FIRST NATION AND MÉTIS COMMUNITIES IN NORTHERN ALBERTA, WE HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE DEVASTATION THAT COMES WHEN THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT PROTECT AND EXPAND — THE CANADIAN OIL FIELD WORKER JOBS. A NORTHERN GATEWAY CANCELLATION WAS DELVING STATING AS THEY ARE — DEVASTATING, AS THEY ARE INVOLVED IN CONSTRUCTION PARTICULARLY OF THE KARMA CREEK PROJECT, RIGHT IN THE HEART OF MY RIDING. >> The Speaker: (Speaking French). >> (Voice of Interpreter): THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS SPEECH. HE SAYS THAT THE SOLUTION COULD BE BUILDING MORE PIPELINES, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S QUITE CONTRADICTORY WITH THE ACTION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IN ORDER TO FIGHT THE CLIMATE CRISIS. JOE BIDEN, THE NEW AMERICAN PRESIDENT, DENIED KEYSTONE XL. THE UNITED STATES ALSO PRODUCES OIL AND HAS A HIGHER POPULATION THAN CANADA, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO GO TO A TRANSITION IN ENERGY.

SO DOES HE BELIEVE THAT BUILDING MORE PIPELINES IS TRULY COMPATIBLE WITH OUR FIGHT AGAINST THE CLIMATE CRISIS? [ End of Interpretation ] >> The Speaker: — PEACE RIVER-WESTLOCK. >> I BELIEVE IT'S TOTALLY IN LINE WITH FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE, BUILDING MORE PIPELINES. CANADIAN OIL IS THE LOWEST CARBON FOOTPRINT OIL IN THE WORLD. HAVING TANKERS BRING IN OIL PRODUCTION FROM AROUND THE WORLD IS NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, WHETHER THROUGH EMISSIONS OR JUST GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS THAT TAKE PLACE WHERE THE OIL IS PRODUCED FROM. THE UNITED STATES, WHILE CANADA HAS DITHERED — THE UNITED STATES HAS GONE FROM BEING OUR BIGGEST MARKET TO BEING OUR COMPETITOR ON OIL. THE UNITED STATES HAS RAMPED UP PRODUCTION SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. THEY JUST PURELY DON'T NEED OUR ENERGY ANY LONGER. >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR EDMONTON CENTRE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS INTERVENTION. I WOULD LIKE HIM TO ELABORATE ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ENERGY SECTOR TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN THE AREA OF — THAT HE SERVES. I KNOW IT'S CRITICAL FOR EMPLOYMENT AND THEY ARE VERY ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN THE ENERGY SECTOR.

>> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PEACE RIVER WESTLOCK. >> THANK YOU THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS ADVOCACY ON THE OIL PATCH IN GENERAL. MADAM SPEAKER, ACROSS MY RIDING, 14 FIRST NATIONS, MANY HAD A STAKE IN THE NORTHERN GATEWAY PIPELINE PROJECT. NORTHERN GATEWAY PIPELINE PROJECT WOULD HAVE COME RIGHT THROUGH MANY OF THEIR COMMUNITIES, WOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM COMMUNITIES.

MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE CONSTRUCTION JOBS THAT BUILD THEIR — THEY ARE INTO ROAD BUILDING, THEY WORK IN THE FORESTRY SECTOR BUILDING ROADS. THEY SERVICE OIL WELLS THAT ARE IN THEIR AREA. THEY WORK IN ALL OF THE SECTORS THAT PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE OIL PATCH. THEY DRIVE TRUCKS, THEY DRIVE BIG EQUIPMENT, THEY DO — THEY DO THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE THE OIL PATCH WORK. AND SINCE THIS GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN — TAKEN POWER, WE HAVE SEEN A DRAMATIC DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THAT HAS HAPPENED UP IN NORTHERN ALBERTA, LEAVING MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WITHOUT JOBS.

>> The Speaker: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH-GILLWOOD. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND I CONSIDER IT A PRIVILEGE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEBATE TONIGHT. I ALSO CONSIDERED IT A PRIVILEGE TO SIT ON THE COMMITTEE THAT STUDIED THIS ISSUE AND FILED A REPORT, AND I'M GOING TO TAKE MY TIME TONIGHT TO MAKE REFERENCE TO THE REPORT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEREIN. I SAT ON A LOT OF COMMITTEES OVER THE YEARS, MADAM SPEAKER, BUT I HAVE SELDOM SAT ON A COMMITTEE WHERE THE VIEWS WERE SO UNANIMOUS, THE VIEWS OF THE WITNESSES WERE ENTIRELY IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER. THE VIEWS OF THE PARTIES AND THE PARTICIPANTS ON THE COMMITTEE WERE IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER, AND THE REPORT WAS — WAS UNANIMOUS REPORT, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE SEPARATE OPINIONS FILED BY THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND THE NDP. BUT THE GENERAL OVERALL VIEW, MADAM SPEAKER, WAS THAT THIS WAS A — A UNANIMOUS VIEW, IF YOU WILL, ALMOST A TEAM CANADA VIEW, ON THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS PARTICULAR INITIATIVE BY THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN.

AND BEFORE I FORGET, I SHOULD MENTION THAT I'MET SPLITTING MY — I'M SPLITTING MY TIME WITH THE MEMBER FROM WINNIPEG NORTH. I SAY, MADAM SPEAKER, THAT NOT ONLY WAS THE — WERE THE VIEWS VIRTUALLY UNANIMOUS — >> I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY GLEN GARRY — PRESTON, RUSSELL, YES. >> I HATE TO INTERRUPT MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE FROM WINNIPEG NORTH, BUT I BELIEVE — NOT WINNIPEG NORTH, BUT I BELIEVE HE MEANT TO SHARE HIS TIME WITH THE MEMBER FROM WINNIPEG NORTH. THANK YOU. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH GUILDWOOD. >> I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID, THAT I WAS SHARING MY TIME WITH MEMBER FROM WINNIPEG NORTH. IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT, THEN I'LL REPEAT IT, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT GREAT ENTHUSIASM THE CHAMBER HAS FOR THE MEMBER FROM WINNIPEG NORTH AND HIS VIEWS ON PRETTY WELL ANY SUBJECT ONE WOULD CARE TO IMAGINE.

BUT I THANK YOU — I THANK MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUE FOR THAT INTERVENTION. SO MAY I SAY THAT NOT ONLY WERE THE VIEWS VIRTUALLY UNANIMOUS, BUT THE QUALITY OF THE WITNESSES WAS EXTRAORDINARY INCLUDING THE TWO LEAD TRADE NEGOTIATORS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS, THE MINISTER FROM NATURAL RESOURCES, THE VERY, VERY ABLE AMBASSADOR OF CANADA TO THE UNITED STATES, MARY SCOTT GREENWOOD, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH CANADA-U.S. AFFAIRS OVER THE YEARS, AND I SEE MY COLLEAGUE FROM — FROM PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND, WHOSE RIDING I'M FORGETTING — MALBEC — KNOWS MARY SCOTT GREENWOOD AS A VERY ABLE PERSON. AND I CAN JUST GO THROUGH THE CANADIAN CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, CANADIAN BUILDING TRADES, PROPANE ASSOCIATION, LABOURERS INTERNATIONAL, THE MINISTER OF SARNIA WAS PARTICULARLY — MAYOR OF SARNIA WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTING IN HIS PRESENTATION, OF HIS VIEWS. THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA, THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, THE GOVERNMENT OF SASKATCHEWAN, THE SARNIA CONSTRUCTION ASSOCIATION AND LOCAL 63.

AND THOSE WERE NOT — THAT'S NOT A COMPLETE LIST OF THE WITNESSES. BUT I HAVE TO SAY, MADAM SPEAKER, THAT THE — THE VIEWS THAT WERE EXPRESSED WERE, AS I SAY, VIRTUALLY UNANIMOUS, AND THE SERIOUSNESS WITH WHICH WE WERE EXPRESSED. REGRETTABLY, THE WITNESS THAT WE PROBABLY WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE MOST WAS EITHER THE GOVERNOR OR A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. AND WHETHER THEY ARE UNABLE OR DECLINED, I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT IT IS — IT WAS REGRETTABLE THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HEAR FROM THE — THE STATE OF MICHIGAN AS TO WHY THEY CONSIDERED, IN THE WORDS OF THE GOVERNOR, THAT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE PIPELINE IS A TICKING TIME BOMB.

I DON'T KNOW HOW A TICKING TIME BOMB TICKS FOR 68 YEARS AND HASN'T GONE OFF. AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS — THIS ACTUALLY WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL RISK THAT — THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY BY WAY OF INJUNTHIVE RELIEF. — INJUNCTIVE RELIEF. IT APPEARS TO HAVE MORE TO DO WITH POLITICS AND PROMISES MADE AND THAT NATURE RATHER THAN ANY PARTICULAR IMPERATIVE WITH RESPECT TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. I DO TAKE NOTE, HOWEVER, MADAM SPEAKER, THAT IN THE BACKGROUND, SEEMED TO BE PLAYING A REPUTATIONAL ISSUE WITH THE PROPONENT, ENBRIDGE, AND — AND IT'S A CAUTIONARY NOTE FOR ALL CORPORATIONS THAT REPATIONS DO MATTER — REPUTATIONS DO MATTER, AND I TAKE IT THAT THERE IS A LOT OF, FOR WANT OF A BETTER TERM, BAD BLOOD BETWEEN THE CORPORATION AND THE STATE. AND — AND IT IS SPECULATION ON MY PART RATHER THAN EVIDENCE THAT POSSIBLY THAT WAS A MOTIVATING FACTOR TO WHAT IS, BY ANY STANDARD, A VERY EXTRAORDINARY INJUNCTIVE RELIEF. I TAKE MY COLLEAGUE FROM MONT-ROYAL, THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR. HE DID WHAT I THOUGHT WAS AN OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION ON THE LEGAL POSITION OF CANADA AND THE LEGAL POSITION OF THE CORPORATION AND THE GOVERNOR — AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE WHO WANT TO RUN AROUND, LIGHT THEIR HAIR ON FIRE, AND — AND BE ALARMIST SHOULD TAKE SOME COMFORT IN HIS LEGAL ANALYSIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT BEARS A GREAT DEAL OF MERIT AND HE, IN PARTICULAR, I THOUGHT, PUSHED WITNESSES TO — TO THE POINT WHERE THE FEELING WAS, IN THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THAT THE LEGAL POSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA AND INDEED THE CORPORATION, IS QUITE A STRONG ONE, AND WHILE THERE IS AN IMPENDING DATE THAT THAT'S NOT A DATE THAT WILL RESULT IN AN IMMEDIATE SHUTDOWN OF — OF THE LINE. SO I HOPE THAT'S OF SOME COMFORT. AND I WOULD URGE HONOURABLE MEMBERS TO REVIEW THE MEMBER OF — MEMBER FROM MONT-ROYAL'S SPEECH, BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES SET THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK ABOUT AS WELL AS CAN BE DONE.

THE COMMITTEE ARRIVED AT SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS, MADAM SPEAKER. FIRST OF WHICH IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST, WHICH WAS TO ENCOURAGE A SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES — BETWEEN AND AMONG THE PARTIES. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE PREFERRED COURSE. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS. AS I SAID, WE HEARD FROM A GREAT NUMBER OF THE WITNESSES UP AND DOWN THE POLITICAL FOOD CHAIN, FOR WANT OF A BETTER TERM, UP AND DOWN THE INDUSTRIAL FOOD CHAIN, UP AND DOWN THE LABOUR FOOD CHAIN, ALL OF WHOM HAD BEEN ENGAGED AT THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LEVELS WITH THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN THE UNITED STATES AND ALL OF WHOM REPORTED VERY SIMILAR REPORTS ON THEIR ACTUAL ENGAGEMENT. THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION HAD TO DO WITH THE FILING OF AN — OF AN AMICUS CURIAE BRIEF, IF A SETTLEMENT WAS NOT REACHED, AND THE BRIEF TO SET OUT THE LEGAL POSITION. I — I — AS I SAID, THE MEMBER FROM MONT-ROYAL, I THOUGHT ARTICULATED THE BRIEF AS WELL AS IT COULD BE ARTICULATED, AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT — THAT THE 1977 AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CONCERNING TRANSIT PIPELINES IS, IN OUR VIEW, THE — THE TREATY THAT WILL PREVAIL.

I JUST TAKE NOTE, MADAM SPEAKER, THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE 60 — I THINK 67 PIPELINES CROSSING THE BORDER ON A DAILY BASIS AND THAT RESULTING IN — IN ANY GOVERNOR OR FOR THAT MATTER ANY PREMIER AT ANY POINT UNILATERALLY DECIDING THAT THAT PARTICULAR PIPELINE NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD REASONS OR FOR NOT SO GOOD REASONS. SO THAT'S — THAT IN AND OF ITSELF, I THINK, IS PROBABLY THE DETERMINING FACTOR AS TO WHETHER EVEN THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN HAS ANY JURISDICTION TO UNILATERALLY SHUT DOWN A PIPELINE. THE FOURTH RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE PRIME MINISTER AND HIS MINISTERS PURSUE FREQUENT AND DIRECT DIALOGUE WITH THE U.S.

PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION. WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT THAT THAT IN FACT, HAS HAPPENED. AND IT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN. THREE OR FOUR MINISTERS DIRECTLY ENGAGED WITH IT. IT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA WITH THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE PRESIDENT. THE FIFTH RECOMMENDATION THAT THE — SHOULD EVALUATE OTHER POSSIBLE VULNERABILITIES TO CANADA'S CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUPPLY CHAINS AND DEVELOP CONTINGENCY PLANS, AND THERE ARE CONTINGENCY PLANS, MADAM SPEAKER. UNFORTUNATELY ALL OF THEM ARE VERY, VERY, UM, DIFFICULT, PUTTING 800 TRUCKS ON THE ROAD THAT (INAUDIBLE) IT'S NOT A VERY ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION — >> The Speaker: AND I'M SORRY, BUT I HAVE TO — >> (INAUDIBLE). THANK YOU. >> The Speaker: I HAVE TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS TO ASK QUESTIONS AND MAKE COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA LAMBTON. >> WELL, THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER OPPOSITE FOR HIS SPEECH AND FOR HIS WORK TON CANADA-U.S.

COMMITTEE. HE DID MENTION THAT THIS AMICUS BRIEF OF SUPPORT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ACTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, AND SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT. COULD HE SAY WHY, WITH TWO BUSINESS DAYS REMAINING FOR THE DUE DATE FOR THAT BRIEF, WHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ACTIVITY ON THE PART OF HIS GOVERNMENT? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> YES, THANK YOU. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ACTIVITY ON THE PART OF THIS GOVERNMENT. AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THERE HAS BEEN ENGAGEMENT UP AND DOWN THE POLITICAL FOOD CHAIN. I'M ASSUMING AS WELL UP AND DOWN THE LEGAL FOOD CHAIN. AND — AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE TIMING FOR THE INTERVENTION WILL BE TO CANADA'S BEST ADVANTAGE.

>> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR VANCOUVER EAST. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER, AND THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FOR HIS COMMENTS. IN LIGHT OF THE TIMELINE AND THE URGENCY OF THE SITUATION, I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT THE GOVERNMENT INVOKES THE PIPELINE TRANSIT TREATY. >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH-GUILDWOOD. >> I WON'T PROFESS ANY GREAT FAMILIARITY WITH THE PIPELINE TRANSIT TREATY, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT TREATY WOULD PREVAIL OVER ALL MATTERS INCLUDING ANY — ANY UNILATERAL ISSUES ON THE PART OF ANY GOVERNOR OR A PREMIER, AND THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO TO A POINT OF RESOLUTION. >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR MALBEC. >> YES, THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND I THANK THE MEMBER FOR HIS REMARKS. I DO NOTE THE MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH-GUILDWOOD, PROBABLY MORE THAN ANY OTHER MEMBERS ON THE CANADA-U.S.

IPG, MET WITH THE MOST PEOPLE, MOST REPRESENTATIVES ON THE U.S. SIDE ON — ON THIS ISSUE. SO CERTAINLY THANK HIM FOR THAT. HE DID SAY IN HIS REMARKS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT — OF CONCERN IS THE REPUTATIONAL MATTER RELATED TO ENBRIDGE. SO IN OTHER AREAS, THEN — THEN THE PIPELINE UNDER THE STRAIT. SHOULD WE BE DOING MORE IN THAT AREA? COULD WE BE DOING MORE ON THE GROUND IN THE STATE, ON THE PUBLIC SIDE, ON THIS ISSUE? I KNOW WE'RE SHORT OF TIME.

BUT IS THERE MORE WE COULD BE DOING THERE? >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH-GUILDWOOD. >> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER AND I ENGAGED, I THINK, TOGETHER, WHAT, FOUR OR FIVE CONGRESS PEOPLE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS BECAUSE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 7, WAS THAT ALL MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND ALL SENATORS ENGAGE WHEREVER THEY CAN WITH THEIR COUNTERPART, THEIR LEGISLATIVE COUNTERPARTS, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS FROM ONE OF THE — THE CONGRESS PEOPLE THAT — THAT THERE BE A GREATER ENGAGEMENT, A GREATER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO THAT PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES.

THERE DID SEEM TO BE A LACK OF AWARENESS ABOUT THE — THE UNILATERAL — AND IT WAS SUGGESTED TO US A MORE PUBLIC CAMPAIGN. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND TO MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUE SCARBOROUGH-GUILDWOOD. I DON'T THINK THAT CANADIANS ARE FULLY AWARE OF THE REPUTATION OF ENBRIDGE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. AFTER THE KALAMAZOO, MICHIGAN, SPILL IN 2010, THE NATIONAL TRANSPORT SAFETY BOARD REVIEWED THE OCCURRENCES OF THAT SPILL, AND THE HEAD OF THE INQUIRY ACTUALLY SAID TO THE MEDIA THAT ENBRIDGE HAD A CULTURE OF NEGLIGENCE AND THEY RESEMIED, AT THE TIME OF THAT SPILL, A BUNCH OF KEYSTONE COPS. WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN DEFENDING, WHICH WE WILL HAVE TO DEFEND, WE NEED TO GET THE PRODUCTS TO SARNIA, WE'RE CUTTING A CORNER FROM GETTING FROM ALBERTA TO EASTERN CANADA, BUT TRUCKING THROUGH THE UNITED STATES.

BUT I WOULD MAINTAIN THAT AS A CANADIAN CONCERNED FOR THE SAFETY OF THE GREAT LAKES AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL RISK THERE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, BECAUSE I DON'T TRUST ENBRIDGE EITHER. THAT PIPELINE IS OLD, AND WHEN THEY HAD — >> The Speaker: HAVE TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO ANSWER IN FIVE SECOND OR LESS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH-GUILDWOOD. >> I CAN HARDLY RESPOND TO THE MEMBER FROM SAANICH GULF ISLANDS IN FIVE SECONDS. IMPOSSIBLE TASK. BUT SHE DOES MAKE A POINT, AND I TAKE IT. >> The Speaker: RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE.OF THE QUEEN'S PRIVY COUNCIL. >> YES, THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND IT'S A PLEASURE TO SPEAK ON A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO APPROACH IT IN A COUPLE OF WAYS. WHEN I THINK OF THE LINE 5 PIPELINE, THERE IS A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT REALLY COME TO MIND IN — IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY.

ONE IS THE ECONOMICS OF IT. WE CAN ALL APPRECIATE JUST HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR CANADA'S ECONOMY. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROVINCE OF ALBERTA, WHERE WE GET THE — THE PRODUCT FROM THE GROUND, AND WE BRING IT OVER OUT TO — FO THE EASTERN PROVINCES, IN PARTICULAR THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO AND THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC. THE DIRECT JOBS, THE INDIRECT JOBS, AND I WOULD ULTIMATELY ARGUE, THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT GOES FAR BEYOND THOSE DIRECT AND INDIRECT JOBS. AS ONE SPEAKER HAS ALREADY SPOKEN, IT GOES MORE THAN JUST GASOLINE. THERE IS MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FOR THE RECORD INTO THAT PRODUCT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL IN TERMS OF CANADA'S AND THE U.S. — IN TERMS OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOING — GOING FORWARD. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT IF WE WERE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIP INTO THE HISTORY OF IT, YOU WILL FIND THAT PRIOR TO THE PIPELINE, AS I FOUND OUT, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, IT WAS BEING TRANSPORTED AT ONE POINT TO THE OTHER POINT BY OIL TANKER.

AND I SUSPECT THAT THE MOVE TOWARDS A — A PIPELINE WAS BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. I CAN APPRECIATE MEMBERS OF THE GREEN PARTY — AND I CAN SEE THE FORMER LEADER SHAKING HER HEAD IN SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTMENT, 'CAUSE I KNOW THE GREEN PARTY IS CONSISTENT. THEY DON'T LIKE PIPELINES. MADAM SPEAKER, I HAVE — I HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE — THE FORMER LEADER IN THE PAST, WHERE THE — TALK ABOUT USING TRAIN TRANSPORTATION, OTHER WAYS TO TRANSPORT, IF NOT KEEP IT IN THE GROUND, IDEALLY. AND THAT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, THE GREEN PARTY DOES HAVE THAT HARD, SET POLICY. I RESPECT IT, DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT I DO RESPECT IT. MADAM SPEAKER, THE — THE IDEA OF THE IMPACTS FOR BOTH CANADA AND THE U.S. IS SIGNIFICANT. HERE IS THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE. CANADA AND U.S. HAVE A VERY SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP. WE ALL KNOW THAT.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S HEALTHY FOR EITHER SIDE, WHEN YOU GET A LOT OF WHAT I WOULD CALL PARTISAN POLITICS BEING PLAYED, BECAUSE WHEN THAT TAKES PLACE, IT DOES HARDEN THE FEELINGS SOUTH GOING NORTH AND NORTH GOING SOUTH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR RELATIONSHIP, AND THAT'S WHY I'M PLEASED WITH THE WAY AND THE MANNER IN WHICH THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA HAS ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO THE ISSUE. THE CONSERVATIVES ARE WRONG WHEN THEY TRY TO GIVE A FALSE IMPRESSION THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA IS NOT DOING ANYTHING. THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. AND, YOU KNOW WHAT, MADAM SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THAT THEY KNOW THAT. THEY KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA IS DOING A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT AND IS PUTTING IN — NUMBER ONE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, AND I WANT TO GO TO TWO SPECIFIC QUOTES. ONE FROM EARLIER TODAY, WHEN THE LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY POSED THE QUESTION DURING QUESTION PERIOD ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE LINE TO WHAT — WHAT ARE WE SAYING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE.

AND THE MINISTER — AND I'LL QUOTE THE MINISTER FROM EARLIER TODAY, IN QUESTION PERIOD — WHERE HE STATED, Mr. SPEAKER, PEOPLE WILL NOT BE LEFT OUT IN THE COLD. THE HEATING OF CANADIAN HOMES OR THE FLYING OF CANADIAN JETS OR THE OPERATION OF CANADIAN REFINERIES ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE. LINE 5 IS NOT JUST VITAL TO CANADA. IT IS ALSO VITAL TO THE UNITED STATES. THEREFORE IT IS VITAL TO ALL OF NORTH AMERICA. SHUTTING IT DOWN WOULD HAVE A PROFOUND CONSEQUENCE.

THERE ARE 5,000 DIRECT JOBS IN SARNIA, 23,000 INDIRECT JOBS IN THE REGION, THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN REFINERIES IN MONTRÉAL, LEVIS, BUT ALSO IN OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA, AND MICHIGAN. AND THAT IS THE CASE WE ARE MAKING. LINE 5 IS ESSENTIAL FOR NON-AMERICAN ENERGY SECURITY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NEW THAT THE MINISTER INDICATED TODAY IN QUESTION PERIOD. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT BY THE GOVERNMENT. IT IS THE POLICY, WHETHER IT'S BEEN THE PRIME MINISTER, THIS MINISTER, OR OTHER MINISTERS AS WE RECOGNIZE THE VALUE OF THE PIPELINE. WHEN THE CONSERVATIVE — THE CONSERVATIVES WILL STAND UP, BECAUSE YOU SEE IN THEIR BACKROOM, WHAT USED TO BE THE EMPTY LOBBY OR WITHIN THE HOUSE LEADERSHIP, WHICH HAS A DIRECT LINK INTO THE LEADERS' DEN, HAS THIS IS POLITICAL SPIN SAYING, WHAT YOU HAVE GOT TO DO IS TURN THIS INTO AN ANTI-ALBERTA, YOU HAVE GOT TO TURN IT INTO THE LIBERALS DON'T CARE.

AND, AGAIN, NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. CONSERVATIVES, AFTER THE SPIN, WHAT THEY'LL SAY IS THAT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA IS NOT DOING EVERYTHING. — ANYTHING. MADAM SPEAKER, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. [ Please Stand By ] HERE'S WHAT THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES SAID WHEN IT CAME TO THE LIBERAL PARTY'S TURN TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. WE HAVE BEEN CLEAR AND I QUOTE, WE HAVE BEEN CLEAR FROM THE START, WE WOULD LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED IN DEFENDING CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR OPTIONS. WE'RE WORKING AT THE POLITICAL LEVEL. WE ARE WORKING AT DIPLOMATIC LEVEL. WE ARE WORKING AT THE LEGAL LEVEL.

IT IS A FULL COURT PRESS WE RAISED THE LINE FIVE DIRECTLY WITH THE PRESIDENT IN MEMBERS OF HIS CABINET DURING THE VIRTUAL CANADA-U.S. SUMMIT BACK IN FEBRUARY. THE PRIME MINISTER RISED THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE ENERGY SECURITY IN THE CONVERSATION WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. I AGAIN I'M QUOTING THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES, I RAISE THE ISSUE WITH THE U.S. ENERGY SECURITY JENNIFER. I WAS FRANK IN EXPRESSING HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS ISSUE WAS FOR CANADA. THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT RAISED THE LINE 5 WITH HIS COUNTERPART. TRANSPORT SECURITY, WHOSE DEPARTMENT OVERSEES THE PIPELINE AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SAFETY ADMINISTRATION. THE U.S. FEDERAL REGULATOR FOR PIPELINES. WHICH HAS CONSISTENTLY STATED THAT LINE FIVE IS SAFE. THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS RAISED THE ISSUE WITH HIS COUNTERPARTS, SECRETARY OF STATE. AMBASSADOR HILLMAN HAS BEEN MAKING THE CASE DIRECTLY TO GOVERNOR WHITMER. MEANWHILE IN DETROIT AND LANSING COUNCIL GENERAL JOE HAS BEEN MAKING THE CASE TO STATE LAWMAKERS AND MEMBERS OF WHITMER ADMINISTRATION. LET ME TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE GOVERNOR. COUNCILLOR GENERAL, THE TEAM AT THE CANADIAN EMBASSY IN WASHINGTON AND ALL OF OUR DIPLOMATS WHO HAVE BEEN ENGAGES IN DETROIT AND LANSING WHO DEFEND CANADA'S INTEREST THERE EVERY DAY.

HOW CAN THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY SAY WE ARE DOING NOTHING? HOW SILLY, HOW STUPID. THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY NEEDS TO STOP TRYING TO PLAY THE PARTISAN POLITICS OF DIVISION AND HATRED TOWARDS OTTAWA IN PARTICULAR WITH THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA. WE SAW THE SAME PARTISAN POLITICS YESTERDAY ON ANOTHER EMERGENCY DEBATE. IT DOESN'T MATTER THE ISSUE. IF THERE'S A PROBLEM BLAME OTTAWA. .YOUR FINGER AT OTTAWA. IT'S OTTAWA THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I REMIND MY CONSERVATIVES. >> The Speaker: GIVE WAY TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM CYPRESS HILLS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER AND IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE MEMBER. SO, I'VE GOT AN ACCESS TO INFORMATION REQUEST HERE FOR ALL BRIEFING NOTES PROVIDED TO AND DIRECTIVES BY THE PRIME MINISTER WITH REGARDS TO ENBRIDGE BETWEEN NOVEMBER 1st OF 2019 AND MARCH 9th OF 2021.

A THOROUGH SEARCH OF THE RECORDS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL OFFICE. NO RECORDS RELEVANT TO YOUR REQUEST WERE FOUND. HE KEEPS SAYING CONSERVATIVES ARE SPINNING A FALSE NARRATIVE AND THAT SUGGESTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING NOTHING WHEN WE HAVE PROOF HERE THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S NOT EVEN ON THE PRIME MINISTER'S RADAR. HOW DOES THE MEMBER WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. >> HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY.

>> MADAM SPEAKER, THAT'S NOT PROOF. I JUST FINISHED INDICATING A LIST OF WAYS IN WHICH WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH OUR U.S. COUNTERPARTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN I POSE THE QUESTION TO ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES COLLEAGUES, CONSERVATIVE COLLEAGUES ABOUT WHAT IS THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY ACTUALLY DONE? THE FEDERAL CONSERVATIVE PARTY OTHER THAN POINT THE FINGER AND ACCUSE AND SAYING FALSE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING ANYTHING.

>> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. >> WITH MY APOLOGIES. >> IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HEAR THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND WILL KNOW THERE'S NO THOUGHT FOR SARCASM, BUT I HOPE HE GETS THAT. HE BROUGHT UP LAST NIGHT'S EMERGENCY DEBATE AND I WILL REFER TO LAST IN THIS'S EMERGENCY DEBATE BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUE, THE MEMBER FROM STRATHCONA MADE IT QUITE CLEAR ABOUT THE PRIME MINISTER AND HIS POTENTIAL RELATION WITH ALBERTA. SO THE PRIME MINISTER SAW THIS COMING REFERRING TO COVID. HE HAS WATCHED THIS HAPPENING IN ALBERTA AND HAS DONE NOTHING BECAUSE HE WOULD RATHER WATCH ALBERTA BURN THAN HELP JASON KENNEY. THAT'S NOT MY WORDS. NOW I HOPE IT'S NOT TRUE. >> JUST TO SAY THAT ON THE RECORD ON THAT OCCASION, THE MEMBER FROM EDMONTON STRATHCONA WITH DREW THOSE REMARKS. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE REFERRED TO TODAY AS THOUGH THEY ACTUALLY OCCURRED.

>> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR EDMONTON CENTRE, STAND CORRECTED. >> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MADAM SPEAKER AND I APOLOGIZE. I JUST HAVE THAT QUOTE THERE AND ANYWAYS. WE'LL GO THROUGH WITH THE WITHDRAWAL. I THINK THEY WERE PART OF THE RECORD. LET'S GO FORWARD AND ADDRESS WHAT THAT MEANS. IF THE NDP ACTUALLY THINK IN ALBERTA THAT THE PRIME MINISTER ISN'T HELPING ALBERTA ENOUGH AND THIS LINE IS LINKED TO POTENTIALLY ALBERTA'S PROSPERITY. CAN THE PRIME MINISTER PLEASE, CAN THIS MEMBER GET THE PRIME MINISTER TO PLEASE DEMONSTRATE IF HE'S ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN FILES THAT AFFECT THIS WHOLE COUNTRY THAT BIND ALBERTA, WESTERN CANADA WITH THE EASTERN CANADIAN REFINERIES TO USE OUR PRODUCTS AND GET INVOLVED IN THE FILE. CONTRARY TO WHAT CONSERVATIVES TRY TO PREACH AND THEY PUT OUT THEIR PROPAGANDA LIKE NO OTHER, THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, THE PRIME MINISTER, EVERY MEMBER OF THE LIBERAL CAUCUS UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S TAKING PLACE IN ALBERTA AND OTHER REGIONS OF OUR COUNTRY. WE CARE FOR ALBERTA AS WE CARE FOR ONTARIO, QUEBEC, MY HOME PROVINCE OF MANITOBA.

ALL REGIONS OF THIS COUNTRY WE BELIEVE IN AND WE ARE THERE FOR THEM. BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF OUR NATION AND THE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ARE MADE FROM EVERY SINGLE — >> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR VANCOUVER EAST. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER. EARLIER THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT ENBRIDGE AND ENBRIDGE'S REPUTATION. ENBRIDGE HAS A POOR RECORD ON PIPELINE BREAKS INCLUDING THE MASSIVE 2010 LINE 60 RUPTURE WOULD SPILL ALMOST A MILLION GALLONS OF OIL INTO THE KALAMAZOO RIVER.

SO HENCE WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS SITUATION AS WELL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY OLD PIPELINE. IN THE EVENT THAT THIS PIPELINE IS INDEED CANCELLED, MY QUESTION TO THE MEMBER IS THIS, WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO TO ENSURE PROTECTION IS PROVIDED TO THE WORKERS WHO WILL BE IMPACTED AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN MOVING CANADA INTO THE REALITY OF HAVING TO ADDRESS CLIMATE EMERGENCY? WITH SIGNIFICANT MEASURES IN PLACE TO TRANSITION OUR — >> The Speaker: I HAVE TO GIVE THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER IN 15 SECONDS.

>> MADAM SPEAKER I BELIEVE MAY 12 WILL COME AND GO AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE OVER 500,000 BARRELS A DAY THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR LINE AS COMMON SENSE AND DIPLOMATS AND NATIONAL POLITICAL LEADERS THAT WANT TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER WILL DO THEIR JOB. >> RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR EDMONTON CENTRE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I RISE VIRTUALLY TODAY ABOUT A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN STORY THAT IS CRITICAL TO THE ECONOMY OF OUR COUNTRY AND OUR RECOVERY POST COVID 19 AND I WAS SPLITTING MY TIME WITH THE MEMBER FROM CYPRESS HILLS GRASSLANDS.

ENBRIDGE PIPE 5 RUNNING THROUGH WASES BY AND MICHIGAN AND IT'S SUPPLYING ABOUT HALF THE OIL NEEDS OF ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. FOR DECADES INTO GASOLINE, DIESEL. HOME HEATING FUEL. AVIATION FUEL. IT ALSO MAJOR SOURCE OF PRO TAKEN USE IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. A LOT OF FARMERS USE PROPANE TO HEAT THEIR HOMES, FARMS, COMMERCIAL GREEN HOUSES AS WELL AS TO GRAIN. COULD DRIVE UP THE COST OF PRODUCTION THAT BELONG WITH THE COST OF FOOD FOR CANADIAN FAMILIES. THIS WITHOUT A DOUBT HURT INDUSTRY AND COMPETITIVENESS. CANADA'S OIL AND GAS SECTOR SUFFERED ANOTHER TREMENDOUS BLOW WITH THE CANCELLATION OF KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE PROJECT. NOW KEYSTONE WAS ALL ABOUT SECURING ADDITIONAL EXPORT MARKET FOR ACCESS FOR WESTERN CANADIAN CRUDE TO HELP THIS SECTOR THIS STRUGGLING SECTOR AND SECURE BETTER AVERAGE PRICES FOR OUR RESOURCES. BUT ANOTHER GREAT THREAT TO OUR ECONOMY IS LOOMING. THE CANCELLATION OF ONE OF THE MOST VITAL SUPPLY LINES IN OUR COUNTRY.

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GOOD JOBS ARE AT RISK AND WITH NO DOUBT, THERE WILL BE INCREASE IN COSTS FOR MANY GOODS AND SERVICES. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION TODAY, I DO FIND IT SOMEWHAT IRONIC THAT MANY OF THE VOICES THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM WERE SILENT. WHILE THE ENERGY INDUSTRY WAS STRUGGLING AND OTHER PROJECTS WERE BEING CANCELLED AND CAPITOL WAS BEING DEPLOYED OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY. NOW UNDER DISCUSSION IS A SYMPTOM OF A MUCH LARGER PROBLEM. SIX YEARS OF RELATIVE INACTION BY THIS GOVERNMENT.

I AGREE WITH THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES THAT THIS INDUSTRY IS AND HAS BEEN A CRITICAL PILLAR OF OUR ECONOMIC SUCCESS. THE MUCH LARGER QUESTION IS WHERES THAT GOVERNMENT BEEN FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS. NOW I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LINE FIVE HAS THE ATTENTION NOW, BUT WHERE HAS THIS GOVERNMENT BEEN WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPORT THIS CRITICAL INDUSTRY. THE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD SIX YEARS TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT ON A NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY STRATEGY. THE CANCELLATION OF KEYSTONE XL AND NOW THIS CRISIS ON LINE 5 DEMONSTRATES THE LACK OF A PROACTIVE STRATEGY BY THIS GOVERNMENT. AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO MENTION OF THIS IMPORTANT SECTOR IN THE BUDGET AND ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF A STRATEGY FOR GREATER ENERGY SECURITY AND SELF-SUFFICIENCY. NOW I'M A PROUD ALBERTAEN AND I RECOGNIZE THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF NATURAL RESOURCE INDUSTRY TODAY AND HOW CRITICAL IT WILL BE FOR OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY. THIS GOVERNMENT HAS SENT MANY SIGNALS THAT DO NOT SUPPORT THEIR ARGUMENT THAT THEY SEE THIS INDUSTRY AS CRITICAL.

SUPPORT IS NOT LEGISLATED BY BILL C48 AND BILL C69. CANADA HAS A CRITICAL TRADING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S., BUT WE CAN ALSO PROVIDE ENERGY SOLUTIONS FOR OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND DISPLACE COUNTRIES THAT DO NOT EXTRACT RESOURCES TO THE SAME HIGH AND IMPROVING STANDARDS WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED. NOW, IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, THERE IS A PAPER WRITTEN BY PHILLIP CROSS AND I WOULD RECOMMEND MANY TO READ IT. THE TITLE HOW OILSAND, THE PRODUCTION BENEFIT TO THE CANADIAN CANADA'S ECONOMY. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU A FEW REPORTS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SECTOR IS ONE OF THE KEY SUPPLY SOURCES OF ENERGY.

THE OILSAND ARE UNIQUELY A CANADIAN SUCCESS STORY AND A RARE EXAMPLE OF INNOVATION IN CANADA. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE INDUSTRY AND GOVERNMENTS IN CANADA TO SET THE PUBLIC RECORD STRAIGHT ON WHAT THIS INDUSTRY HAS ACCOMPLISHED AND ITS IMPORTANCE TO CANADA'S ECONOMY. THE LARGEST OILSAND PLANTS TODAY ARE OPERATED BY CANADIAN COMPANIES SUCH AS SUNCORE, CNR AND SENOVIS. CANADA'S PARTICIPATION IN THE OILSAND, EXTENDS TO FIRST NATIONS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INDIGENOUS ADVENTURES OF PARTICIPATE IN THE OILSAND. WITHIN GROUP OF COMPANIES, ACTON TO NAME A FEW. THE ECONOMIC ARE ENORMOUS. 8.3 BILLION IN OILSAND REPRESENTS 4.5% OF ALL THE BUSINESS INVESTMENT IN CANADA. THIS EXCEEDS ALL THE TRADE INDUSTRY, CONSTRUCTION OR ALL BUSINESS SERVICES AND FOUR TIMES MORE THAN AUTO. BOTH INVESTMENT AND PRODUCTION, THE OILSAND ARE IMPORTANT TO CANADA'S ECONOMY.

10 BILLION INVESTMENT RESULTS IN CANADA'S GDP UP BY .5% INCREASE IS THE OVERALL EMPLOYMENT BY OVER 81,000. COMBINED WITH ONTARIO CENTRAL CANADA REAPS ABOUT 1.6% OF THE JOBS. NOW CANADA'S OIL AND NATURAL GAS RESOURCES ARE AMONGST THE MOST RESPONSIBLE PRODUCED ENERGY RESOURCES ON THE PLANET. UNDER THE MOST STRINGENT ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS IN THE WORLD. IN CANADA'S OILSAND, EMISSIONS HAVE FALLEN SIGNIFICANTLY. ACCORDING TO DATA FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA'S 2019 INVENTORY REPORT, CANADA'S OILSAND PER BARREL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS HAVE FALLEN 34% SINCE 1990 AND THEY'RE GOING DOWN FURTHER. PORTRAYALS RARELY PRESENT WHAT THE OILSAND MINE AFTER LAND HAS BEEN REHABILITATED. SOMETHING ALL COMPANIES MUST COMMIT TO AND SET ASIDE FUNDS FOR WHEN THEY BEGIN OPERATIONS.

THE FOOTPRINT OF OILSAND IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS WHEN COMPARED TO THAT OF WHICH IS FLOODED TO BUILD MASS OF HYDRO POWER PROJECTS. LET'S TALK ABOUT INNOVATION. THE ALBERTA CARBON TRUNK LINE SYSTEM IS THE WORLD'S NEWEST INTEGRATED LARGE SCALE CARBON CAPTURE UTILIZATION AND STORAGE SYSTEM. DESIGN IS THE BACK BONE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SUPPORT A LOWER ECONOMY IN ALBERTA. INDUSTRIAL MISSIONS AND DELIVERS THE CO2 TO MATURE OIL AND GAS RESERVOIRS FOR USE IN AN ENHANCED OIL RECOVERY IN PERMANENT STORAGE. FROM HUMAN ACTIVITY. IT'S CAPABLE OF TRANSPORTING UP TO 14.6 MILLION TONS OF CO2 PER YEAR. THE ALL CURRENT OILSAND EMISSIONS ARE EQUAL TO THE IMPACT. RELIES ON KEY INFRASTRUCTURE. INVESTMENTS LIKE ATTL SYSTEMS TO PRIX SUSTAINABLE SLUKSS TO GLOBAL ENERGY REQUIREMENTS. I WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE TODAY THAT WE HAVE THESE ENORMOUS ASSETS AND THAT WE COULD RECOGNIZE THE FINE WORK THE INDUSTRY HAS DONE TO SUPPLY THIS IMPORTANT RESOURCE.

I HEARD TODAY MUCH DISCUSSION AROUND AN ENERGY TRANSMISSION BUT WE ARE HERE AND NOW. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT JOBS AT RISK NOT JUST IN THE ENERGY SECTOR BUT IN SECTORS THAT DEPEND UPON A SAFE SECURE SUPPLY OF ENERGY. AND WITHOUT THIS SAFE SUPPLY OF ENERGY WE RUN THE RISK OF SEEING OUR MANUFACTURERS, AGRICULTURE SECTORS AND OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT DEATH DEPEND ON THIS SUPPLY GOING DOWN. I HAVE NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE A TRANSITION IN TIME BUT I WOULD SUGGEST CANADA THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A MARKET LEADER IN THE SUPPLY OF ENERGY AS WE BUILD INTO THIS TRANSITION. OIL WILL BE CRITICAL DURING THIS TRANSITION BUT WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN EXPORTER OF LNG AS WE DISPLACE COAL AS AN ENERGY SOURCE. TO REPLACE THESE VALUABLE ENERGY SECTOR JOBS. BUT I HAVE YET TO HEAR A SUBSTANTIVE PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATE WHAT THOSE JOBS WILL BE AND WHAT SPECIFIC SECTORS THEY WILL BE. >> THE HARD REALITY IS WHERE LARGE COUNTRY WITH A SMALL POPULATION WE HAVE BUILT INFRASTRUCTURES AND AN IMPRESSIVE SOCIAL SAFETY NET THAT SUPPORTS PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

MUCH OF THIS IS A RESULT OF THE REVENUE PRODUCED FROM THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND COMMODITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH. WE SHOULDN'T LEAVE SIGHT OF THIS IMPORTANT FACT. LINE 5 IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. THE RISK OF IT BEING SHUT WILL HAVE A DRAMATIC IMPACT ON THE SERVICES IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC. IT MAKES US NOW AWARE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF ENERGY SECURITY FOR OUR COUNTRY. THE LAST THING WE WANT TO RELY ON THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES FOR TRANSPORTATION SUCH AS RAIL OR TRUCK TRAFFIC OR FOUR MARKETS FOR SUPPLY. MADAM SPEAKER I HOPE THE GOVERNMENT WILL RECOGNIZE NOT ONLY THE IMPORTANCE OF LINE 5 BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT NATURAL RESOURCE SECTOR COULD BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR FUTURE SUCCESS. JOBS AND PEOPLE'S ECONOMIC WELL BEING ARE AT STAKE. MY PROVINCE HAS TAKEN THE BRUNT OF THE ECONOMIC SLOWDOWN AND HAS HAD OVERDUE FOR THIS GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE THAN TALK ABOUT THE SUPPORT IN INDUSTRY AND DEMONSTRATE WITH ACTION. IT'S TIME FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO SHOW CANADIANS A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE NATURAL RESOURCE SECTOR AND THE THOUSANDS OF JOBS THAT THE SECTOR EMPLOYS.

THE INDUSTRY IS READY AND WILLING TO BE A SUBSTANTIVE PART OF OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY. MADAM SPEAKER, IT'S ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND IT'S TIME FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO REACH OUT TO THE PRESIDENT AND REINFORCE THE ECONOMIC IMPORTANCE OF ENERGY, SECURITY FOR BOTH OUR COUNTRIES AND ENSURE THE CONTINUED OPERATION OF LINE 5. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER AND I THANK THE MEMBER FOR HIS REMARKS. AND ESPECIALLY FOR LETTING OUT THE FACTS ON WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING AND WHAT INDUSTRY IS DOING IN THE PROVINCE OF ALBERTA AND IN GETTING AND IMPROVING THE ENVIRONMENT ET CETERA. THAT IS INFORMATION THAT I THINK THE GOVERNMENT AND ALL CANADIANS NEED TO GET OUT THERE INSTEAD IF I CAN PUT IT BAD MOUTHING ALBERTA. HE SAID IT RIGHT AT THE END. HE SAID THE PRIME MINISTER NEEDS TO TALK TO THE PRESIDENT. WHAT'S THE KEY POINT THAT THE MEMBER WOULD SUGGEST THE PRIME MINISTER OR THE GOVERNMENT DO AT THIS POINT RELATED TO LINE FIVE AND ITS IMPORTANCE TO THE COUNTRY AND TO THE UNITED STATES.

>> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM EDMONTON CENTRE. >> THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FOR HIS QUESTION AND I THANK HIM FOR HIS WORK ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND BEING A ONE OF THOSE RARE STAUNCH SUPPORTERS OF THE INDUSTRY FROM THE OTHER SIDE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE IMPORTANT POINT IS THIS IS ABOUT ENERGY SECURITY FOR NORTH AMERICA. AND THERE'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR CANADA AND THE U.S. TO COLLECTIVELY BUILD THAT SECURITY, DISPLACE OTHER PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT LIVING TO THE SAME STANDARDS. THERE'S AN ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY HERE AND WE SHOULD TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICANS WOULD BE GOOD PARTER INS, UNDERSTANDING WE BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOAL.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER FROM EDMONTON FOR HIS SPEECH. AND HE'S RIGHT, THIS IS ONE PIPELINE I THINK THAT THE NDP AND THE CONSERVATIVES CAN AGREE ON THAT WE NEED. THIS IS A PIPELINE SUPPLYING CANADIAN OIL TO CANADIAN INDUSTRY IT'S NOT AN EXPANSION PIPELINE IN A TIME IN THE WORLD WHEN DEMAND FOR OIL IS FLAT LINED AND WILL UNDOUBTEDLY DECLINE OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS. WE DON'T NEED THEM. AND WE DON'T NEED THEM BECAUSE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY WERE MEANT TO HANDLE, ARE NOT BEING, THEY'RE NOT GOING AHEAD AND THEY'RE NOT GOING AHEAD BECAUSE THE WORLD FINANCIAL MARKETS REALISE THERE'S NO FUTURE IN NEW OIL PROJECTS. THIS ISN'T JUST HAPPENING IN CANADA. IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S A REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE PIPELINES AND THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE VALUE FOR THIS PIPELINE.

WE WANT IT TO NOT BE SHUT DOWN, WE KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT FOR CANADIAN JOBS. AND WE KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT TRANSITION. >> The Speaker: I HAVE TO ASK THAT THE MEMBER FROM EDMONTON CENTRE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. >> RESPECTFULLY I'LL COMPLETELY DISAGREE. THAT THERE IS INVESTMENT TAKING PLACE IN INDUSTRY. NORWAY IS ABOUT TO OPEN A MASSIVE DRILLING INTO A BIG RESERVOIR. RUSSIA'S EXPANDING ITS PRODUCTION. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE RESOURCE BUSINESS. THEY'RE CONTINUING TO EXTRACT OIL. THERE'S STILL DEMAND IN THE MARKET AND I BELIEVE THAT CANADA CAN PLAY AN ENORMOUS ROLE IN DOING IT BETTER AND PROVIDING THAT ENERGY AT LEAST ON AS A STRATEGY UNTIL WE FIND OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WILL DISPLACE OIL. >> The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SAANICH. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. TO MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUE, I JUST WANTED TO AS A FORMER PRACTICING LAWYER THE NOTION THAT'S BEING RECRUITED HERE THAT CANADA HAS THE TOUGHEST ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS IN THE WORLD IS FRANKLY ABSURD.

THE U.S. HAS ALWAYS HAD TOUGHER ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS THAN CANADA AND OURS WERE WEAKENED IN THE HARPER YEARS AND HAVE NOT BEEN REPAIRED. I WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBERS CLAIM WHICH IS TRUE THAT THE INDUSTRY HAS IMPROVED AND REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF GREENHOUSE GASES PER BARREL OF OIL. WENT BACK TO THE EARLY 1990s. AT THAT POINT CANADA PRODUCED LESS THAN HALF A MILLION BARRELS A DAY. WE'RE NOW SIX TIMES HIGHER THAN THAT. SO WHEN YOU REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTION PER BARREL. AND MORE THAN QUADRUPLE SIX TIMES MORE WHATEVER, YOU OBVIOUSLY DO HAVE AN INCREASE IN POLLUTION DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE POLLUTION PER BARREL GOES DOWN. SO JUST WANTED TO DRAW THAT TO MEMBERS' ATTENTION. ALTHOUGH THIS DEBATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GREENHOUSE GASES PER BARREL. THIS IS ABOUT THE POLLUTION IF THE PIPELINE BREAKS.

>> The Speaker: MEMBER FROM EDMONTON CENTRE, FIVE SECONDS. >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'LL GRAE TO DISAGREE. I STILL THINK THAT CANADA CAN BE A MAJOR PRODUCER OF ENERGY PRODUCTS AND DISPLACE OTHERS WHO AREN'T DOING TO IT THE SAME STANDARD AND QUITE FRANKLY PIPELINES ARE THE SAFEST WAY TO TRANSPORT OIL. >> RESUMING DEBATE.

THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CYPRESS HILLS GRASSLANDS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER. I JOIN TONIGHT'S ENERGY DEBATE WISHING WE DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE ONE BUT THE SITUATION WITH ENBRIDGE DICTATES THAT WE NEED TO. I ALSO WISH THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD TREAT IT WITH MORE URGENCY THAN THEY'VE SHOWN BY AIR ACTIONS UP TO THIS POINT. IT'S MORE ACCURATE COMB THEY CALL IT INACTION.

THEIR LACK OF LEADERSHIP HAVE BROUGHT US NEAR THE BRINK. WE FIND OURSELVES IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. WE'RE WHERE A MAJOR PROBLEM IS CLOSER TO HAPPENING THAN WE CAN HAVE EVER IMAGINED. THIS WILL BE ADDED TO EVERYTHING ELSE CANADA HAS BEEN FACING WITH COVID AND LOCKDOWNS FOR OVER A YEAR. THEY'RE FRUSTRATED AS WITH YOU ALL KNOW BUT NOW WE'RE ONE WEEK AWAY FROM SHUTTING DOWN LINE 5.

SINCE THE FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT ALMOST SIX MONTHS AGO CANADIANS HAVE BEEN LEFT IN SUSPENSE ABOUT THEIR FUTURE. WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S ESSENTIAL NEEDS. FUEL FOR GETTING THE PLACES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. OR FOR KEEPING OUR SUPPLY CHAINS RUNNING HMM HOME HEATING. THOUSANDS OLOCAL JOBS AND KEEPING THE ENVIRONMENT CLEANER AND SAFE EVERY JUST TO NAME A FEW. IN THEIR DAILY LIVES. THIS IS ALWAYS BEEN A REALITY WHICH AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY BUT THIS IS THE CLEAREST EXAMPLE YET OF HOW ONTARIO AND QUEBEC WILL DIRECTLY SUFFER AS A RESULT OF ANTIENERGY IDEOLOGY. AS SOON AS WE LOSE LINE FIVE, GAS AND HEAT EITHER GET MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE OR IN CASES IT WILL BE UNAVAILABLE. YET, HERE WE ARE FACING THE REAL POSSIBILITY OF FUEL SHORTAGES ON ON THE OF LOSING THOUSANDS OF JOBS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY.

IN LARGE PART IT WILL COME ON THE BACK OF A LACK OF LEADERSHIP FROM THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. OVER 6,000 WORKERS IN SARNIA, PLUS ANOTHER 23,000 IN THE WIDER REGION AFTER THE EFFECTS RIPPLE THROUGH THE ECONOMY. THESE BIG NUMBERS ARE MADE UP OF PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES AND DREAMS AND PERSONAL POTENTIAL AND THEY ARE ALTERNATE RISK OF JOINING THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF OTHER ENERGY JOBS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOST OUT IN WESTERN CANADA UNDER THE SAME LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. IN THIS CASE IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU LIVE AND WORK IN THE EAST OR IN THE WEST. THEY ALL BUT CANCELLED THE POLICIES AND RHETORIC AND NOT UNLIKE THE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH TRANS MOUNTAIN. WE COULD USE A PIPELINE LIKE ENERGY EAST RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE NO REPLACEMENT ACROSS CANADA IN THE SAFEEST AND CLEANEST WAY WE KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

WAS PREVENTIBLE WITH A WORTHWHILE PROJECT WELL ON ITS WAY. THE MUCH NEEDED DEMAND FOR THEM WILL NOT GO AWAY AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE SUPPLIED IN OTHER WAYS. CARRIES AROUND 540,000 BARRELS PER DAY. IT WILL TAKE 800 RAILCARS OR 2,000 TRUCKS OR NINE OIL TANKERS ON THE GREAT LABS PER DAY TO MAKE UP FOR IT. WITH INCREASED GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS COMBINED WITH GREATER ENVIRONMENTAL AND SAFETY RISKS. WHEN I RAISED THIS PLAN WITH THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES IN OUR COMMITTEE HE WANTED TO FOCUS ON PETTY POLITICS SAYING HE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO ANSWER GOTCHA QUESTIONS WHEN ASKED SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF LINE FIVE. INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING ISSUED A HAND WITH ALL THE SOCIAL ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPORTANCE. THE SUPERFICIAL APPROACH AND ATTITUDE OF THIS GOVERNMENT WAS ON FULL DISPLAY. THIS IS THE SAME CABINET MINISTER WHO INSTEAD OF THE PRIME MINISTER IS SUPPOSED TO BE LEADING THE CHARGE FOR LINE 5 AND ENERGY DEVELOPMENT IN CANADA.

HE HAS BEEN SAYING HE IS CONFIDENT LINE 5 WILL NOT GET SHUT DOWN AND CANADIANS ARE COUNTING ON HIM BEING RIGHT. FOLLOWING MEDIA REPORTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT'S DIPLOMATIC APPROACH IS FRUSTRATED. I ASKED THE MINISTER TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THIS THREAT IN SHUTDOWN WILL BE EVERTED. THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY RESPONDED WITH A AND ON HIS BEHALF ALTHOUGH IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR HIM SAY QUOTE, WE ARE READY TO INTERVENE PRECISELY AT THE RIGHT MOMENT END QUOTE. THAT IS NOT BEING CLEAR WITH CANADIANS AND WE HAVE TO ASK WELL WHEN EXACTLY IS THE RIGHT TIME? A REQUEST BY MY COLLEAGUE FROM BATTLE RIVER CROW FOOT SHOWS AS OF MARCH 10th THERE WERE ZERO BRIEFING NOTES ON RECORD UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL OFFICE FROM THE PRIME MINISTER TATING BACK TO MARCH 1st OF 2019 AND TO SAY THIS ISN'T ON HIS RADAR WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

AGAIN IT HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS SINCE THE GOVERNORS ANNOUNCEMENT AND WE'RE NOW ONE WEEK AWAY FROM THE DEADLINE. THIS IS ALSO NOT THE KIND OF DEADLINE WHERE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT CAN BE TURNED IN ON THE LAST DAY. IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE. IF THE MINISTER IS CONFIDENT THAT LINE FIVE WILL NOT STOP ON MAY 13th AND IT WILL CONTINUE FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE'RE OUT OF THE WOODS WHATSOEVER. FOR ALL THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT WOULD ONLY BE KICKING A CAB DOWN THE ROAD WHEREVER IT MIGHT LEAD. WE KNOW FOR ITS OWN PART PLANS TO CONTINUE ITS OPERATIONS AND TAKE THE BATTLE THROUGH THE COURTS IN THE U.S. FOR THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN JUST CALLED BY IN FIVE A TICKING TIME BOMB AND CLEARLY WANTS TO FIGHT BACK TOO. BUT THAT REALLY IS NOT THE POINT. FOR EACH MONTH THIS HAS ALL BEEN DRAGGED OUT.

THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN DAMAGE DONE. THE MAYOR OF SARNIA DESCRIBED IT AS RECOVERING FOR MONTHS. THE WIDER COMMUNITY HAS HAD TO LIVE WITH IT ALL ALONG. BEYOND THAT, IT STARTS TO HAVE A BROADER CHILLING EFFECT. AND I'LL QUOTE AGAIN. WHAT DRIVES A PARTICULAR ECONOMY, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT COMPANIES AND INDUSTRIES INTO THE AREA. WHEN YOU'RE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GAME, YOU'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO ELIMINATE ANYTHING THAT COULD BE AN IMPEDIMENT AND THE LONGER THIS GOES ON, THE MORE OF THAT ANXIETY IS THERE. END QUOTE. THE RIGHT TIME TO INTERVENE IS PROBABLY LONG BEFORE THE DEADLINE. RATHER THAN A WEEK BEFORE. EVEN IF LINE FIVE MAKES A PATH AT DEADLINE, IT CAN STILL FIND ITSELF IN A COMPROMISED POSITION. AS SOME LAWYERS HAVE ALREADY NOTED, THE PERCEPTION OF DEFYING AN ORDER FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT COULD SOMEHOW BE USED TO UNDERMINE THEIR CASE OR POLITICAL CAPITOL.

ENJOYED CALLING LINE 5 AN ILLEGAL PIPELINE EVEN THOUGH IT IS MISLEADING AND UNCLEAR. TEZ ARE THE SAME ACTIVIST SUPPORTING THE GOVERNOR PART OF THE MOVEMENT PUSHING THE SAME DISINFORMATION WHICH IS HAS LED PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THEIR OWN PRIME MINISTER TO HOLD BACK OTHER PIPELINES HERE IN CANADA. THERE'S AT LEAST ONE CABINET MINISTER WHO TOOK PART IN THE ANTIENERGY CRUSADE AND APPARENTLY HAS NO REGRETS. THESE GROUPS OPPOSE OPERATIONAL PIPELINES AS MUCH AS THOSE UNDER PROPOSAL AND IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THEM. NO MATTER WHAT DISTINCTIONS THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO MAKE IN ITS OWN POSITIONING. FOR YEARS AND YEARS, THE LIBERALS HAVE PLAYED WITH FIRE. AND IN DOING THIS, THEY'VE HELPED TO ENSABLE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHIND THIS ATTACK ON LINE FIVE. BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ONES GETTING BURNED. THE COST AND CONSEQUENCES ARE FALLING ON CANADIAN FAMILIES AND WORKERS INSTEAD. THIS SHOULD BE A WAKE-UP CALL FOR ALL THE GOVERNMENT. LOOKING AT HOW THIS YEAR IS GOING SO FAR WE SEE THE RESULTS OF A DAMAGING PATTERN FROM A RECORD OF MIXED SIGNALS AND CARELESSNESS AT BEST OR DEATH BY DELAY TACK TAKES AT WORST.

BACK WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN CANCELLED KEYSTONE XL. THE PRIME MINISTER SAID HIS GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO FIGHT FOR IT. THEY MADE SURE TO QUICKLY ADD THAT JOE BIDEN WAS KEEPING A CAMPAIGN PROMISE AND THAT THERE WERE OTHER PRIORITIES TO WORK ON WITH HIM. IN OTHER WORDS, DID NOT TAKE ALONG FOR THEM TO BASICALLY GIVE UP AND MOVE ON. WOULD THE LIBERALS DO THE SAME THING WITH GOVERNOR WHITMER'S CAMPAIGN PROMISE TO STOP LINE FIVE? IF THEY SAY THEY SUPPORT LINE FIVE, DO THEY MEAN IT? ARE THEY GOING TO BE PROACTIVE? DO THEY REALLY CARE OR UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY? WILL THEY THINK OF OTHER THINGS TO PREOCCUPY THEMES WITH, WHICH THEY DID WITH KEYSTONE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT KEYSTONE AND AS WE'VE LISTENED TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM VARIOUS MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE HERE TONIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THE INDIGENOUS INVOLVEMENT. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT KEYSTONE. I TALK ABOUT THE GROUP NATURAL LAW ENERGY WHO THE CEO IS BASED IN MY RIDING FIRST NATION, THEY HAD AN EQUITY STAKE IN THE PIPELINE PROJECT. WE NEED TO LOOK AT NATURAL RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONTINUATION OF PIPELINES AND OPERATION AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIGENOUS CANADIANS TO CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE ECONOMY, TO ADVANCE TOWARDS RECONCILIATION AND SELF-DETERMINATION BECAUSE THESE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ISSUES TO THEM AND QUITE FRANKLY TO ALL CANADIANS AS WELL.

THE OTHER THING WITH ENBRIDGE LINE 5 AND I THINK QUITE A FEW OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SPOKE QUITE WELL OF THIS. THIS IS A NATIONAL UNITY ISSUE BECAUSE WHAT THESE OTHER PIPELINES THAT HAVEN'T GOTTEN BILLED, WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE, WHAT THEY WILL DO AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO IS DISPLACE A NEED FOR FOREIGN OIL COMING INTO CANADA. AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, WHY SHOULD WE BE IMPORTING OIL WITH TANKERS ACROSS THE OCEAN INTO CANADA WHEN WE NEED TO BE ABLE WHEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REFINE OUR OWN OIL AND TO USE CANADIAN OIL IN CANADA AND IN NORTH AMERICA. WE NEED TO HAVE A NORTH AMERICAN STRATEGY AND SECURITY FOR ENERGY PRODUCTION HERE IN CANADA. THAT'S WHAT LINE 5 DOES. IT HELPS TO UNITE US WITH OUR PARTNERS ACROSS THE LINE TO THE SOUTH AS WELL. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME, MADAM SPEAKER. >> The Speaker: THANK YOU, HONOURABLE MEMBER.

THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM GLENGARY. >> I'VE LISTENED TO HIS SPEECH WITH INTEREST BUT I DON'T BUY ALL THE FACTS AND I DON'T SUPPORT THE FINGER POINTING AND I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS HELPFUL FOR CANADA TO ADVANCE ITS ISSUES TOWARDS THE UNITED STATES IN PROTECTING LINE 5 AND I'VE HEARD SOME STATEMENT THAT HE'S MADE AND WHICH ARE INCORRECT IN MY OPINION BECAUSE HE SAID CANADA HAS DONE NOTHING. AND I KNOW THIS ISSUE IS BROUGHT TO PRESIDENT BIDEN ON FEBRUARY 23rd. IN FACT, ON FEBRUARY 23rd, BOTH LEADERS SAID THE LEADERS RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF ECONOMIC AND ENERGY SECURITY BENEFITS OF THE BILATERAL ENERGY RELATIONSHIP AND IT'S HIGHLY INTEGRATED INFRASTRUCTURE. MADAM SPEAKER I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE FIGHTING FOR NAFTA, ALL UNITED TO FIGHT AGAINST US. WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO JOIN A GOVERNMENT TO FIGHT FOR LAND FIVE? >> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CYPRESS HILLS. >> THANK YOU, MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION.

AND QUITE CLEARLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT. WE ARE FIGHTING FOR LINE 5. A LOT OF US HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO RAISE AWARENESS AROUND THIS ISSUE TO BRING TO IT THE GOVERNMENT'S ATTENTION AND WHEN WE SEE THINGS THAT SHOWS THERE IS ZERO COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PRIME MINISTER TO THE PRIVY COUNCIL'S OFFICE THAT SHOWS THERE'S A COMPLETE LACK OF INTEREST TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT BY CANADIANS >> MEMBER FOR SOUTH OKANAGAN WEST KOOTENAY. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER FOR HIS SPEECH. AS MUCH AS I LIKE MY RIDING I THINK HE HAS THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

HE MENTIONED THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN IS ACTING ON AN ELECTION PROMISE AND THAT ELECTION PROMISE WAS GIVEN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN HAVE LOST FAITH IN ENBRIDGE AFTER THE CATASTROPHIC SPILL IN 2010. AND YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATIVES CONSTANTLY AND CLEARLY FEEL THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS ARE TOO BURDENSOME, IN THIS COUNTRY. I'M JUST WONDER FIGURE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. IF THAT SPILL HADN'T OCCURRED. IF ENBRIDGE HAD BUILT THAT PIPELINE BETTER, MONITORED IT BETTER. DOES THIS GIVE THEM A NEW APPRECIATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDYS? >> The Speaker: MEMBER FROM CYPRESS HILLS, GRASSLANDS. >> I THINK THEY'RE A KEY PART OF THE EQUATION AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED OVER THE TIME MY OWN UNCLE WORKED FOR TRANSCANADA PIPELINE FOR WELL OVER 35 YEARS. AND WHEN I TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN PIPELINE MONITORING, THE WAY TECHNOLOGY HAS ADVANCED AND THE GREATER HANDS ON APPROACH AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT ENBRIDGE IS LOOKING TO DO WITH LINE FIVE WITH BUILDING A NEW CORRIDOR UNDERNEATH THERE, THAT'S GOING TO BE ENCAPSULATED IN CONCRETE AND PUTTING THE LATEST AND GREATEST TECHNOLOGY INTO THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO EMBRACE BECAUSE THESE ENERGY COMPANIES HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF ADVANCING TECHNOLOGY AND PURSUING HOW TO BE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE AND TO HAVE BETTER PRACTICES AND BEST PRACTICES. SO I THINK THAT WE NED TO ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE AS WELL. >> Reporter: — >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. >> ONE MEMBER MENTIONED MEMBER 23rd WHERE THERE WAS INTEREST SHOWN ON TRYING TO DEAL WITH LINE FIVE. IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS. DOES THE MEMBER THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE PROACTIVE TO NEGOTIATE SOME FORM OF A NORTH AMERICAN STRATEGY SO WE WOULDN'T BE IN THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN TODAY? >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CYPRESS HILLS GRASSLANDS.

>> I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR THAT QUESTION. I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT TO IF LAST ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS IN THE UNITED STATES AND YOU SEE I'M SURE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A WILLINGNESS THERE TO BE ABLE TO GET A STRATEGY FOR NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY SECURITY DONE. YOU KNOW AND I THINK EVEN WITH THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE BUT YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS OF BASICALLY NOTHING AND YEAH, I THINK AGAIN WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE TRACK RECORD OF THIS GOVERNMENT AND THAT SIX-YEAR TIME WINDOW SHOWS THE LACK OF SERIOUSNESS THAT THEY HAVE ON GETTING THIS DONE AND I THINK THAT IT SHOWS YOU KNOW COMPANIES AGAIN, THAT ARE WE ARE SEEING INVESTMENT BUT WE WOULD SEE MORE INVESTMENT I BELIEVE IF WE SHOWED A SERIOUSNESS FROM THIS GOVERNMENT TO TAKE THESE MATTERS AT THAN SERIOUS.

>> RESUMING DEBATE. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR GLENGARRY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. [ Speaking French ] >> Voice of Interpreter: TODAY I WILL BE SHARING MY TIME WITH THE MEMBER FROM NICKELBELT. THE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY FOR NATURAL RESOURCES, I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR HIM AND I KNOW HE'S DOING SO MUCH WORK FOR THE PEOPLE OF HIS RIDING AND IN THE LARGEST REGION OF SUDBURY AND NICKEL BELT. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THIS PERSON. MADAM SPEAKER, TONIGHT WE ARE DEBATING THE IMPORTANCE OF LINE FIVE, THE IMPORTANCE OF CRUDE OIL AND I KNOW THIS HAS A DIRECT IMPACT FOR THE PEOPLE OF MY RIDING GLENGARRY-PRESCOTT-RUSSELL. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT CRUDE OIL BUT WE SEE ON PROPANE, I LIVED THROUGH THE CRISIS IN NOVEMBER 2019 AND I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH LINE FIVE BUT, THAT MATTER WITH CN HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON PEOPLE IN MY RIDING AND THE PEOPLE OF QUEBEC.

I WILL LIKE TO THANK PROPANE, A LOCAL COMPANY THAT TOOK THE BULL BY THE HORNS AS WE SAY, MADAM SPEAKER. AND FOUND A SOLUTION WITH CN AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM, THANK CN. WE WORKED WITH THEM VERY CLOSELY AND WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE PROPANE IN THE EASTERN ONTARIO AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEND SOME TO QUEBEC AND THAT WAS THANKS TO NOVAK PROPANE IN NOVEMBER. MOST FARMERS WERE DEPENDING ON THIS IN ORDER TO DRY THEIR GRAINS AND AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THAT PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE THROUGHOUT THAT CRISIS. MADAM SPEAKER, LINE FIVE IS IMPORTANT FOR ONTARIO AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR QUEBEC. >> HOW IMPORTANT IT IS ALSO FOR THE U.S. WE KNOW THAT CANADA EXPORTS 50%, 56% OF CRUDE OIL TO THE U.S. WE KNOW THAT 91% OF ENERGY EXPORTS WHICH INCLUDES CRUDE OIL, NATURAL GAS, ELECTRICITY FROM CLEAN SOURCES, URANIUM, 91% OFFER THAT IS ALL EXPORTED TO THE U.S.

AND THE POINT OF THAT MADAM SPEAKER IS THAT OUR ECONOMY, ARE INTEGRATED AND I KNOW THAT WE TRADE ABOUT 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS EVERY DAY OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THROUGH THE U.S. AND THE CANADA BORDER. AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN IMPORTANT ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP THAT GOES FAR BEYOND ANY PRIME MINISTER OR PRESIDENT AND I JUST TO SAY THAT LINE 5 WOULD BE CANCELLED, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE AN INSULT TO CANADA. IT WOULD BE AN INSULT TO CANADIANS. IT WOULD BE AN INSULT TO CANADIANS AND QUEBEC. AND I KNOW I KNOW THERE WILL BE A SOLUTION. WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM. WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THE TIME SAID WE WERE GOING TO RENEGOTIATE IN FACT, ALL OF US IN THIS CHAMBER TOOK A STAND, UNITED THE CONSERVATIVES, THE NDP, THE BLOC, SOME OF THE BLOC AT THE TIME AND THE GREENS WE ALL THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO FIGHT FOR CANADA.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO FINGER POINT EACH OTHER BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING OF A STRATEGY. WE'RE ALL GOING TO STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT FOR CANADA. EVEN BACK BENCHERS GOING TO WASHINGTON AND LOBBYING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WHETHER THEY WERE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS, WE ALL HAD THE SAME UNITED STORY. AND I KNOW SITTING ON THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE WE WENT DOWN THERE AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A HAMBURGER. NOTHING UNITED MORE THAN THE U.S. AND CANADA THAN A HAM BURGER. TO TOMATOES MAY BE GROWN IN ONTARIO, THE CATTLE FROM ALBERTA, BUT GOING DOWN SOUTH PROCESSED IN THE U.S., SHIPPED BACK TO CANADA, THE HAMBURGER WAS A TRULY UNITED STORY AND I BELIEVE IT DOES SOUND ESPECIALLY 11:45. BUT, IT WAS TRULY A GOOD STORY TO TELL OUR U.S. COUNTERPART HOW CANADA AND THE RUST TRULY INTEGRATED ECONOMIES AND WE ARE BEST FRIENDS. YEAH, WE MAY GET OUR DISAGREEMENTS ONCE IN A WHILE BUT I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT THAT TEAM CANADA APPROACH IS WHAT MADE CUZMA THE SUCCESS THAT IT IS TODAY.

SO, NOW THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH LINE FIVE I BELIEVE THE APPROACH SHOULD BE A TEAM CANADA APPROACH. IT SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT FINGERPOINTING, THE LIBERALS ARE DOING THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION LEADERS NUMBERS IN ALBERTA. I HOPE IT DOESN'T. BECAUSE I KNOW I SAW SOME POLLS AND THEY WERE DOING WORSE THAN OUR OWN PRIME MINISTER IN ALBERTA. I HOPE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS BECAUSE I WOULD HOPE THEY PUT THE 6,500 JOBS THAT THE ALL LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION MENTIONED IN THIS HOUSE TONIGHT IN FRONT OF PARTISAN POLITICS.

BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SUPPORT THE WORKERS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SUPPORT THE FAMILIES THAT STILL RELY ON THE BENEFITS OF LINE FIVE. I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN LINE FIVE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE ENVIRONMENT. THAT IS SUM MY A FALSE NARRATIVE. THERE IS A TRANSITION TOWARDS A GREEN ECONOMY. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. AND. >> SO MADAM SPEAKER, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT LINE FIVE NOT BE CLOSED ON MAY 12th. WE NED TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR WORKERS IN THE OIL SECTOR AND I WILL LIKE TO SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES FROM ALBERTA, YES, I AM FROM EASTERN ONTARIO BUT I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE PEOPLE FROM ALBERTA. ONE OF MY COUSINS IS A FIRST RESPONDER ON THE OILSAND AND HE SUPPORTS THESE COMMUNITIES.

HE'S THE RESOURCE PERSON WHEN PEOPLE ARE FAR FROM HOSPITALS, HE'S THE PERSON WHO NEEDS TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCY CALLS BECAUSE SOMETIMES HE HAS A PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE OILSAND IN ALBERTA. SO LINE FIVE IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS ONLY LINKED TO ALBERTA. IT'S A CANADIAN ISSUE. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT AT A WE STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT TO SUPPORT OUR GOVERNMENT, SUPPORT LINE FIVE, SUPPORT THE WORKERS IN THAT FIELD. BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW IT SUPPORTS THE ECONOMY OF ALBERTA AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIES OF QUEBEC AND ONTARIO. AND EARLIER I MENTIONED HOW PROPANE CONTINUES TO PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE FOR US. IT SUPPORTS OUR FARMERS. HELPS US HEAT OUR HOMES, THAT DON'T YET HAVE NATURAL GAS IN CERTAIN RURAL AREAS. SO FOR SOME THE ONLY WAY TO HEAT THEIR HOMES IS TO USE PROPANE TANKS.

SO PROPANE PLAYS A MAJOR ROLE IN MY RIDING STILL. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A TRANSITION EVENTUALLY AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS TRANSITION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YES, ALBERTA, IS A PROVINCE THAT PRODUCES OIL. BUT EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE A GREEN TRANSITION. THE WHOLE WORLD EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS CANADA IN THAT GREEN TRANSITION WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A DEPENDENCY ON OIL BUT EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO GREEN TECHNOLOGY.

ALBERTA COULD PLAY THAT ROLE. EVEN IF IT'S NOT OIL, IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY. MADAM SPEAKER, IN 1910 BEFORE FORD CAME OUT WITH HIS TEAM MODEL, EVERYONE WAS USING A HORSE AND CARRIAGE AND THAT WASN'T SUSTAINABLE. EVEN NOW WE SAY WE NEED OIL FOR OUR CARS BUT THE TRANSITION IS MOVING TOWARDS CARS THAT WON'T NECESSARILY NEED GAS, WITH YOU THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT CANADA CAN'T PLAY A ROLE IN THAT NEW WORLD. WE HAVE WHAT IS NECESSARY TO PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN THAT GREEN TRANSITION AND ALBERTA NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT TRANSITION.

NEWFOUNDLAND NEEDS ON THE PART OF THAT TRANSITION. SO, MADAM SPEAKER, MY POINT TODAY IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T SINGLE OUT ANYONE IN THIS HOUSE. WE SHOULD BE UNIFIED IN ORDER TO FIGHT THOSE WHO WANT TO CLOSE LINE FIVE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CANADA AND CANADIANS DESERVE. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SARNIA. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER OPPOSITE FOR HIS SPEECH AND I FULLY AGREE YOU KNOW NOW IS TIME FOR A TEAM CANADA APPROACH. I ACTUALLY SPEARHEADED A LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN WITH ALL OF THE TRADE UNIONS IN MY RIDING AND ALL THE STAKE HOLDERS TO GOVERNOR WHITMER AND WE GOT ALL OF OUR FRIENDS WHO LIVE IN MICHIGAN WHO ARE HER CONSTITUENTS AS WELL. I RESPOND SECTORED A PETITION. I THINK ALL THESE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. WHAT I WOULD ASK THE MEMBER IS WE'VE HEARD THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING ACTION TO PURSUE EVERY ALTERNATIVE BUT THERE'S SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CANADA-U.S. COMMITTEE THAT ALL PARTIES FREED TO. DOES HE AGREE THAT THOSE NEED TO HAPPEN? >> HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR GLENGARRY. >> MADAM SPEAKER WE'VE LOOKED THE GOVERNMENT HAS LOOKED AT ALL THE OPTIONS INCLUDING LEGAL OPTIONS AND I THINK THE LEGAL OPTIONS WHEN IF POLITICIANS FAIL TO LISTEN TO THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENTS, THOSE LEGAL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AND I KNOW THAT CANADA WILL USE THEM TO DEFEND LINE FIVE.

>> THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CHURCHILL. >> THE LIBERALS ARE MASTERS OF POLITICS. THEY TAKE CLIMATE CHANGE SERIOUSLY AND YET THEY FIND MONEY TO SPEND ON ANOTHER PIPELINE. THE LIBERALS OFFERED 18 BILLION DOLLARS IN SUBSIDIES FOR OIL AND GAS COMPANIES. JOBS OF THE FUTURE. JOBS THAT MY GENERATION AND GENERATIONS TO COME DESPERATELY NEED. SO WHEN WILL THE LIBERALS STOP GREENWASHING THEIR AGENDA AND ACT IN THE FACE OF THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT WE ALL FACE? >> HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR GLENGARRY. >> I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SINGING "O CANADA" EVERY THREE WHENS. I HOPE SHE WASN'T TALKING AND THAT PERFORMANCE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT PERFORMANCE. BUT MADAM SPEAKER WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC. IF WE SURE DOWN THE OILSAND TOMORROW MORNING, TESLA, FORD, ANY DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BUILD BATTERY CARS. THAT IS THE TRUTH MADAM SPEAKER. SO, IF I WOULD INVITE THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO LOOK AT BUDGET 2021 TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE PUT FORWARD IN TERMS OF THE GREEN TRANSITION.

THANK YOU. >> HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CALGARY CENTRE. AND I REFER TO YOUR PREVIOUS COLLEAGUE THAT DEPUTY HOUSE LEADER WHEN YOU REFERRED TO THE ACTUALLY OPINION OF ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES EARLIER IN THE EVENING. >> The Speaker: HAS TO SPEAK THROUGH THE SPEAKER. I'M SORRY. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER HAS TO SPEAK THROUGH THE SPEAKER AND NOT DIRECTLY TO OTHER MEMBERS. I'M SORRY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAY I START OVER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES SPEECH VERY MUCH AND I KNOW I'M REFERRING TO HIS REFERENCE TO THE LEGAL POSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT ON THIS AND THE PREVIOUS DEPUTY HOUSE LEADER'S REFERRAL TO HIS COLLEAGUES OPINION. THE LEGAL OPINION ON WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE HEARING IN MICHIGAN WITH THE GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN AND YET YESTERDAY IN THE "THE GLOBE AND MAIL", THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WAS QUITE CLEAR, THE GOVERNMENT'S POSITION IS ENBRIDGE MUST STOP OPERATING LINE FIVE BY MAY 12th. INASMUCH AS WE HAVE GREAT LEGAL OPINIONS OUT HERE.

AT THIS POINT WHEN WE HAVE THE PARTY TO THE SIDE, WHEN DO YOU MOVE IT TO THE TOP LEVELS OF DECISION MAKING TO MAKE SURE YOU INTERVENE AND GET THE PROPER OUTCOME FOR THE COUNTRY? >> THANK YOU AND I WANT TO THANK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS QUESTION AND I UNDERSTAND THE ARTICLE. I KNOW BOTH PARTIES ARE STILL IN MEDIATION. WHEN YOU'RE IN A MEDIATION BOTH PARTIES ARE STILL PARTICIPATING AND IF ONE DECLARES WE STILL NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN ON MAY 12th I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF POLITICS BEING PLAYED BUT I CAN ASSURE HIM THAT OUR PRIME MINISTER RAISED THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN THE U.S. AND I CAN ASSURE THE MEMBER THAT CANADA WILL DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO SECURE A LINE FIVE BECAUSE IT'S IN CANADA'S INTEREST. THANK YOU. >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SAANICH. >> THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER AND TO MY HONOURABLE FRIEND PRESCOTT RUSSELL, I'M AFRAID SO MANY MEMBERS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DISTINGUISH WHY SOME PIPELINES ARE POSTED ON CLIMATE REASONS AND OTHERS AREN'T.

DESPITE WHAT MANY MEMBERS SAID IN THIS PLAY, PIPELINES IN USE DO NOT EXPAND FOSSIL FUEL PRODUCTION. UNLIKE ENERGY EAST. UNLIKE TMX THAT ARE ALL ABOUT EXPORT TO OTHER COUNTRIES ON THE ELSEWHERE. THE LINE 5 PIPELINE IS NOT BEING OPPOSED BY ENVIRONMENTALISTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BORDER. BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CONSTRAINTS. IT'S BEING OPPOSED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED THAT A PIPELINE BUILT IN 1953 MAINTAINED BY A COMPANY WITH A TERRIBLE RECORD FOR LEAKS. POSES A THREAT TO THE GREAT LAKES. AND I WOULD ASK MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO MAKE, WE MUST BE REALISTIC. >> The Speaker: I HAVE TO GIVE A FEW SECONDS FOR THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO ANSWER. >> AND I HEAR WHAT MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUE IS SAYING AND WHAT I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THOSE DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM ENBRIDGE IS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME MITIGATION MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THE PIPELINE IS SAFE.

THANK YOU. >> THE HONOURABLE PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO THE MINISTER OF NATURAL RESOURCES HAS FIVE MINUTES. FOUR MINUTES. >> FOUR MINUTES? FOUR MINUTES. OK. [ Speaking French ] >> Voice of Interpreter: OK, MADAM SPEAKER. THE HOUSE HAS SEEN A LOT OF DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THREAT IN CLOSURE OF LINE 5. AND IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS THERE'S BEEN DEBATE, OPPOSITION DAYS, AND NOW WE'RE HAVING AN EMERGENCY DEBATE TONIGHT. LET'S BE CLEAR, OUR POSITION HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. LINE 5 IS ESSENTIAL TO CANADA'S ENERGY SECURITY AND IS NONNEGOTIABLE. WE SAID SO IN THIS HOUSE. IT'S BEEN SAID IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. THE PRIME MINISTER, PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON THE ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. THE UNITED STATES. THEY DID REALLY GOOD WORK AND I WOULD LIKE TO QUOTE FOR ENBRIDGE. THAT THE STAKES CAN NOT BE HIGHER, MADAM SPEAKER. LINE FIVE IS IMPORTANT FOR JOBS AND ECONOMIC GROWTH. AND ENERGY SECURITY. SO LET'S BE CLEAR. WE AGREE THAT ON BOWE SIDES OF THE BORDER.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP LINE FIVE OPEN. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR WORKERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER SO WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT. >> THE PIECE THAT RAN IN THE NEWS, ABOUT THE EMERGENCIES LAST WINTER THAT AFFECTED 34 STATES AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WERE LEFT IN THE DARK FOR WHEN THE GRID WAS SHUT DOWN. YET MICHIGAN PROVIDED PROPANE, TO THEIR CUSTOMERS AND THE HOMES. WHY MADAM SPEAKER? BECAUSE THIS WAS THANKS TO LINE FIVE. AND THAT'S WHY OUR GOVERNMENT IS FIGHTING HARD TO KEEP THIS OPEN. AND ALSO I'LL JUST UTILIZE ANOTHER MICHIGAN STATE SENATOR, KURT SUMMONED THIS UP REALLY WELL AND I QUOTE, THE CRITICAL ENERGY SUPPLIES JOBS, TAX, REVENUE, ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, SAFETY, LINE FIVE DELIVERS ALL THAT FOR MICHIGAN. AND IS BACKED BY NUMBERS. THE FAMILIES THE BUSINESSES IN MICHIGAN OF LINE FIVE.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ON A PROPANE, IN THAT AREA. SO AND I'LL GIVE YOU OTHER EXAMPLES HERE. I SEE THE TIME IS RUNNING OUT BUT THERE'S OTHER INDIVIDUALS MICHIGAN OIL AND GAS ASSOCIATION, LINE 5 CLOSURE WILL JEOPARDIZE NEARLY 47,000 MICHIGAN JOBS. SO, WE KNOW MADAM SPOOK HEAR THE ON BOTH LINES HERE, BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER AND WE HAVE MANY DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN THE U.S. THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE OF LINE 5 AND ARE WORKING WITH US, ARE WORKING WITH ENBRIDGE TO ENSURE THAT THIS PIPELINE REMAINS OPEN.

AND IT'S BEEN SAFE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE'S BEEN 27 BILLION BARREL OF CRUDE OIL SINCE 1953. SO, MADAM SPEAKER, I'LL JUST FINISH HERE BECAUSE I SEE THE TIME IS RUNNING OUT. BUT, THERE'S MANY FIELDS OF LAKE SUPERIOR, COMMERCE IN MICHIGAN THAT ARE SUPPORTING US. SO I WANT TO ASSURE THE HOUSE THAT WE ARE WORKING ALTERNATE ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT HERE TO ENSURE THAT THIS PIPELINE REMAINS OPEN AND WE WILL DO AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT TEAM CANADA APPROACH AND I HOPE THAT ALL PARTIES IN THE HOUSE WILL SUPPORT US TO CONTINUE WORKING TO ENSURE THAT THIS PIPELINE REMAINS OPEN AND WE WILL WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. >> The Speaker: IT BEING ONE MINUTE TO MIDNIGHT — IT BEING MIDNIGHT, I DECLARE THE MOTION CARRIED. THE HOUSE STANDS ADJOURNED UNTIL LATER THIS DAY AT 10:00 A.M. PURSUANT TO STANDING ORDER 24-1.

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