First Net Zero Certified Home Energy Retrofit in Canada

Alright welcome to another Conscious
Builder live and on today's episode we have Peter Darlington and
Tyler Hermanson on the show. Guys, thanks for being on the show
oh thanks for having us and we're gonna yeah we're gonna dig
into Peter's home which is the first certified home under CHPA's net zero
renovation program which is exciting so we'll get into
we got some pictures of show and all sorts of content to get into but
peter was has been in construction since 1996
where he started with stucco and the building envelope but four years
later he started his own company called Peter's exterior contracting and in 2014
Peter became accredited as a certified passive
consultant and soon after founded Solar Homes Inc
in order to offer contracting and consulting services to
those looking to reduce their environmental footprint and Tyler who's
here has worked on the house did all the energy
advising he's been involved in construction industries since playing
under his father's drafting tables as a child a designer consultant and
certified energy advisor he's been designing testing and
consulting with Alberta builders since 2005.
So based in Calgary in 2008 he started four elements
integrated design and tyler has taken his family's design firm portfolio into
a fully environmental direction facilitating
better building practices and performance through design advice
consulting and certification across western Canada
so that's impressive for both of you guys
so we got lots of knowledge so hopefully we can get some good
questions too so let's just start actually
how did you two meet well we met through I believe the
CHBA council that we both sit on regarding
the net zero renovations and we were involved in the
first CHPA net zero a council for new construction yeah I think the
CHPA kind of said hey you guys really need to talk because Peter's got a cool
house and I think we can label it and away we go so you two like
where did the interest actually peter let's start with you like where did the
interest for sustainability or having to build to
a net zero standard come from oh well it was actually kind
of a fluke we were gonna be renovating the
exterior of my house and I needed a double garage in my backyard
and while I was doing all the planning for this I stumbled across a website
called heat spring and they do a lot of efficiency
kind of training and that just kind of led me down the road where I realized
well the renovation I'm already doing for you
know like an extra 40 or 50k I could basically supply all the energy
I would need for the life of this building
how old is the building it's in mid-80s originally
the renovation was done in 2015.

Cool we'll get into some of those details
so then so what originally tweaked your interest was more the
energy savings portion of it or was it a cost thing
or just more an investment thing or what was that initial interest
that got you yeah it really was kind of the cost the
operating cost try to get my numbers down as low as you
can um especially in Calgary we have really a
very boom and bust kind of cycle here so when it's bust i'd like to be paying as
little as possible for keeping my house running yeah and Tyler
what about yourself you know why like it sounds like your family's been
in the industry so what did your dad do my dad was a designer for 30 years
ran his own design shop here and did a lot of big
custom houses the the least energy efficient homes you know we did in the
80s and 90s right we just weren't thinking about that then
and when and I swore I would never go into the business
and yet you know halfway through university I was like you know
I might be good at that maybe i'll leave my
my BA and go do Dakota construction and design and I actually
started working for a builder that was building our 2000 homes
as my summer gig in my and my work gig and he was so passionate about energy
efficient building and I started to pick that up and
you know led me down the road that way so
yeah so for for the listeners of viewers now uh maybe just share a little bit of
what R-2000 is versus net zero we're gonna
get into kind of the nitty-gritty stuff of what
happened with the house but what would be the difference between
all of the performance standards i mean i have to talk about it as a road
right you're going down the road from code minimum that you the legal minimum
you have to build and you get more and more efficient as
you go down the road and our 2000 is our oldest
green building program from the 80s and it was trying to get houses
you know 20 50 more efficient then and really started it off
you know now we have programs like energy star and built green that will
get you ten percent better and but net zero is really the end of
that road because you're a hundred percent better right you've covered 100
of your energy demand and you have this very efficient home
so one of the things that i've always had conversations with
people about is the you know renovating a house and
it's trying to find that sweet spot right and i find like technology is
getting so good that eventually solar panels are going to be so
good that every house could be net zero doesn't matter how
efficient it is uh it doesn't mean that it's going to be a
comfortable home but potentially you can offset your electricity costs you know
where do you see things going or what are are people still
focused on the the energy cost because the people i talk to
aren't they're they're more focused it's a different
they're focused on the comfort right health right but the energy costs kind
of a bonus right so they do want to be efficient but
i don't really take the conversation that way because it's really hard to
make a financial case for it unless they're planning on staying in the house
for a long period of time so where are you seeing
the trend and what are your thoughts on kind of where things are going
yeah i agree it is tough to sell you know like a cost analysis
proposition to a customer i'm in the bulk of the people coming to me
are looking for emissions reductions primarily
comfort and then lowered bills is also you know
a definite add bonus to to that but a lot of a lot of young families that are
specifically looking for emissions reductions and so sorry go ahead tyler you know a
lot of our clients don't know the terminology don't know
the programs or the labels or certifications but they just
they know they don't want code minimum they want the house to be comfortable
and smart they want to make smart choices
and that starts leading us down this path yeah that's that's good to hear
right because I always tell people you're going to
vote with your wallet right whatever you're going to spend money on there's
going to be more of that right so the fact that they're thinking
that way is great because that's when other things are going to start coming
down like heat pumps like that technology the more we buy it
the cheaper it will become because we can
it'll be produced at a larger scale right so that's that's nice to hear i
think that the west is definitely further
well i know the west is further ahead than us over here in the east
uh but there are some great projects going on over here as well
so how many like i know you've worked on Peter's house together have you been
working on many other projects together
well we've done at least another half dozen together I would say
some pretty deep deep retrofits um one property that's
very close to net zero um a couple that are very close
and then we've got another one starting in a couple weeks that will make
net zero oh nice so so what's the process like when somebody reaches out
to you are they reaching out saying i want to make my home net zero
are they just saying i want to do something
and then you work with them to figure that out uh
you know how does the process work for you i i
am very specified in that i you know we're focused on doing net zero
renovations as much as possible um so typically a
customer will come to us and they'll be looking for
multi-year plans so that when they do the windows or they do their walls
that all these kind of pieces fall into place
so that you have a five or ten year plan at the end of the
road when your mechanical systems die you replace them with
smaller systems because you've improved the building envelope so would you have tips for people like
starting out what where would you recommend that they
start you know i've had a lot of these conversations with people too right they
might take the low-hanging fruit but then they end up kind of shooting
themselves in the foot because they do it in the wrong order
yeah for us it's always building envelope first try to get that heating
requirement as low as possible and then you design all the heating
systems the mechanical ventilation and the solar
systems around that very low um heat demand
that being said though like things like don't go out and save yourself a couple
thousand bucks getting double windows because you're gonna have to put another
six solar panels to cover the heat and you're gonna need a bigger heating
system so it's worth investing in all those
pieces correctly and we really encourage the starting
point is that inner guide label get a blow door test
measure your home where you're at just so you see the whole picture of what you
have right now and where your big energy losses are and then
you know with peter's expertise and our expertise you get a smart
pathway forward are you is there actually
is the market when the real estate market seeing
value in these types of renovations where you are
it's low i think i would say uh we have to work hard
so i was just gonna say there's just not enough examples out on the market that
have been resold to really um kind of put a value to it this is
where a place where i think the american system the us is way ahead of us because
they've really they've mandated that appraisers
fill in an energy efficiency form you know they're they
they're obligated to report energy efficiency features when they
find them when they do a financial analysis and we don't have that in
canada so it's very easy for an appraiser to
say yeah there's no comparables to your super insulated house
no value and that's not really fair yeah and then people get scared because they
don't know right we had to deal with that with our passive house that we sold
a couple years ago right and just people are knowing more and more now but
at the time uh we we've kind of been putting a lot of
stuff out there for people to know as well uh so yeah i guess it's similar
here it's it's unfortunate but you know hopefully
i i'm keeping my fingers crossed that something starts to change right because
there is it's to me like it's it's the value that you can't necessarily see but
you feel right when you're in the house and and
not only just like physically like sitting by a window
or something but health-wise right i remember leaving my house
going to florida for three months and coming back and it just smelled
my home smelled like fresh wood when i walked into it like
houses in florida don't smell like that right
so it was nice i'd come back like i was back and forth but yeah after leaving
for three or four weeks and coming back to it it was
it was amazing it gave me much that much more appreciation for the home
because when you live in it you don't realize it but if you leave for an
extended period of time you realize how how how much better that
home is built yeah that is and i was actually kind of
surprised because like i mentioned we kind of did this as
an energy thing when we started um but the change in the indoor
environment it's it's just unbelievable like our house is so well ventilated we
never open any windows it's 21 degrees in this house 365 days a
year it's just it's beautiful to live inside
of you've talked about how quiet the house is now too right with the triple
glazed windows and that extra insulation that made a big difference
oh for sure even like the only time i open my window is when my kids are
playing in the backyard so i can hear them
yeah yeah then that adds to the comfort thing too right you kind of you have to
experience it you can't like ex you can't show people that in a picture
right it's almost like you need to just people need to live in it to experience
it and then they they know then they realize what they've been
missing i like to compare it to uh heated seats i mean until you've sat
in a heated seat you don't know what you're missing but
once you've had one it's like there's no going back right yeah heated
steering wheels have you had a heated steering wheel
amazing i know exactly what you're talking about
um and that's a problem with houses right is you can't take a house for a
test drive right like you want to go i'd like to take this
passive house for a test drive please like bring my sleeping bag like
there's no passive house airbnb or or show suite that you can spend a weekend
in and so it's so hard to tangibly really get a feel for how different
these houses are yeah and and and the issue is that even
like a week or something doesn't necessarily give you everything you have
to you know experience it for an extended
period of time so you can realize that even throughout the
different parts of the season that there there is uh so many benefits you can't experience it
a weekend or one week smoke that's another good one when it's
smoky outside you can't can't smell it until you open the door
yeah yeah i noticed a sound uh when we were
living in our house but that that's it was less of an issue because we were
kind of on the outskirts but uh chris drakka here in ottawa as that's
somebody we work with regularly he's right beside the road literally
like six feet from the road where he built this house where the dump trucks
have been driving by to dig the tunnels here in ottawa and you can't
hear the dump trucks when they drive by his house
it's wild right but you can't you can just tell people that but they
don't necessarily believe it they don't realize how noisy it is until you don't
have that noise right they're like oh this is what it's actually like but
what i've also realized is that when it's
it keeps the sound out but it also keeps the sound in so all the sound would just
travel throughout our house like great you could hear across the house no
problem i've heard people complain about their
fridge being so loud in these high performance homes like
your fridge hasn't changed but you notice it now because it's the
only sound in the house right yeah for sure or if the
you know if the air flows too high on something right you and those are things
that uh you you don't really know in your
position now you have the experience and you can kind of warn people about that
stuff same with us but when you first start getting into
you don't really notice this stuff you don't know that these are issues
until you've been in it or lived in it and experienced it they're like oh yeah
okay that makes sense okay so uh tyler actually why like why
did you bring your before after this we'll get into showing
some pictures and and we'll get into the project uh but
tyler why did you go the direction of like net zero
sustainability energy efficient you know we've been
adding we've been looking at the whole field right and we really are quite
flexible in the programs we want to support everything that's going to move
the ball forward in construction and you know one leads to another right
so you start talking about we started as a lead for homes provider
because we really liked what lead was saying and then you say well leap isn't
quite enough we need an energy program and then
chba comes out with their net zero program like oh that's that's really
going to work okay let's go support that and pass the post okay we need to learn
about this and so you know we've racked up this long list
of credentials and programs that we do now just because we keep
wanting to see what is going to be the best fit and make sure we can offer the
program that's the right fit you know we're super ecstatic if a builder wants
to do only enter guide or only energy star
because that's where they're at that's great we're going to support that
but really we're looking further down the road
and we know that the we're heading towards net zero right that's the trains
leaving the station that's the end goal here so uh we really
like what the chpa's put together here is a program that balances
energy performance and comfort and is really looking at envelope
and efficiency uh mechanical systems you know it's not just about solar panels
um really bringing in the comfort and healthy indoor air quality into a
program package yeah yeah it's definitely a great
program so peter maybe let's start sharing some pictures and you can take
us on a little tour of the house and i'll ask you questions throughout
you got it how long have you been living in the house or how long were you in the
house before you started to plan the renovations
uh we bought the house in 2000 so we've been here 15 years
before we did anything to it on the exterior
so this is it in the center of the screen there
a beautiful yellow vinyl siding that is the back of the house too just
well there's the back of the house street view um sorry i'll just jump back
to the back one thing to note that's critical on net
zero renovations is upgrading your electrical service so we were really
lucky in that our transformer was directly
behind our home um so it didn't cost us as much as it
could have um to upgrade our electrical service but
when you're putting all your heat on electric the 100 amps
that's standard in in homes just isn't enough so that's
something that has been a challenge in some of the other renovations that we've
looked at and something to keep in mind so you say
it's been a challenge just because it's a significant cost to upgrade
uh so it depends if you have an overhead wire in the backyard then it's pretty
easy to just feed a new wire back to that
um if your transformer is two houses down across two driveways
then that's a real problem that's a 30 000 horizontal
drill to defeat the new wire right right um so just some more pictures of
pre-renovation steel framed into the concrete
so something was interesting we built a big double garage in the backyard and uh
even though we were gonna disconnect the natural gas
they made us uh for 2500 bucks sleeve the gas
line back to the house and uh preserve the connection
who's this just in case uh that was adco uh so just in case
um so we start by ripping everything off and then we do a
liquid applied air barrier the first step to the liquid applied air barrier
is to tape all the seams how did so that's your main air barrier
what what ach did you end up getting for the home
i think we're down to uh 1.27 was the final number
yeah that sounds right nice and he did you do anything to the roof
or the basement well i mean we did have a guy crawl around in the attic space
and you know do some caulking and spray foam on some of the worst defenders
and then obviously topped up the insulation but uh our
air barrier strategy is from the exterior we have minimal number of
penetrations it's you know you can see by this picture
here it's basically just paint anybody almost anybody can do it
so it doesn't have complex overlaps like you do with building paper
so so to give i guess somewhat of something to compare to tyler what would
a average home of this age be for ach uh four air changes at least
you know probably 1500 cfm of air leakage
when we test it because you have a lot of big openings that the fireplace
those old gas fireplaces are terrible um you know rim joists and a lot of
mechanical penetrations in these aj house are
are not well detailed so um let's just say there would be lots of air leakage
yeah so basically this is like three times better at this point
uh a little bit better than that and uh the analogy i like to use in this case
is like insulation is important but air sealing is more important like if
you put a down jacket on and you unzip it and face the wind it doesn't
matter how thick the jacket is if you have a big hole
in your wall right so that that's that's essentially what's happening in all
these old houses and this is tighter than most builders
in our area are building brand new homes right
even a brand new house is probably three air change two and a half and a lot of
builders don't do our tightness testing still here
um so you're still twice as tight as a as a new house um
yeah there were a few more items involved in that air tightness strategy
um we did eliminate all the combustion appliances
so all those vent stacks are gone there was a wood burning fireplace on this
side of the house and we deleted that chimney
and that's just a flat wall now so we did have to get an engineered slab
for this garage that was specifically designed
to hold as much solar as we could foot fit on the property
came with a lot of rebar and that's the kind of the sitting space
further down the road i used luxe vinyl triple pane windows so
not super high end but a pretty good value they're performing
really well you know they're still warm on the
inside when it's really cold outside yeah it's a good point uh to bring up
people too i have that a lot of conversations around
windows and doors with clients i'm sure you do the same
you can get really good performing pvc windows for a really good price now
they don't have to like i'm we're doing some windows on projects and
unfortunately they're still choosing double glaze for some of
them that we're doing but they want the aluminum clad wood and
those are more than the triple glaze pvc by far like double or triple in some
cases right so just because something performs
better doesn't mean it's going to be more expensive
it's a it's a is one of the misconceptions i think that that a lot
of people have with this stuff but there's so much more information on
the windows now because we can really look at that manufacturer specific
performance put it into the computer model and
really tell you how they're performing compared to different manufacturers
right it's not just looking at two brochures now we can get
very scientific and how we pick those windows
yeah yeah yeah it's not just the energy performance
uh you know having 20 plus years in exterior contracting
um wood frame windows really don't weather very well
um aluminums get really hot and and they tend to
move all over the place these pvcs you know there's
lots of room for con contraction expansion they're white so they don't
get super hot um so we're pretty happy with them
so you can see the waterproofing on both the uh both of the buildings um and then we start with the foam so we
used a four inch eps foam um and basically this is just uh
adhered to the building with a notched trowel so it's all kind
of like tile basically um you just go around make sure you get
a nice continuous blanket around the entire building
which system are you using did you use for that
uh we use stow brand systems that's sto this is the old electrical
panel before the service upgrade um in the beginning of
the the solar install there quite nicely so we have micro inverters on this
because we did have some shading challenges with the house being
so close to the garage um so we went for micro inverters to
kind of minimize the losses on that uh the ship yeah it's surprising how many
homeowners don't realize that uh without the micro inverters your
system your whole array could go down because of one little bit of overhanging
branch right they don't understand how their system's performing
so are are some solar contractors installing it without the micro
inverters to try and save costs or like why would they do that
still a few out there yeah and like what's the cost
for sure well i would say maybe five to ten
percent would be my guess but i we've had spots where um
an over head power line didn't get picked up in the shading analysis for
the solar and even just an overhead power line if
it's disrupting three panels and you don't have micro
inverters or optimizers on those then everything gets degraded because of
that little bit of shading when you say
degraded like they get nothing or just significantly reduces
uh well i don't want you to quote me on it but my understanding is that
if the say a 250 watt panel gets shaded down to 150 watts then
everything in that string is down to 150 watts so if you have
15 or 20 panels on that one string everything's getting
lower production rates without these micro inverters so we have 40 panels on the garage
and then since then we've put another 16 up on the
main roof of the home so that's enough energy
for the house and most of my wife's car so the next step after you've got all
the styrofoam glued to the house is a fiberglass embedded into an acrylic
mixed with cement and that coats the entire
surface of the of the insulation it also gets back wrapped around the back of the
piece of eps um and that's for fire reasons so the fire can't get
under and back in behind the aps and light up
bugs too do we have some wasps that like to burrow into foam
out here and and so you want to make sure there's never any exposed foam
edges anywhere you got to encase everything
birds keep the birds in it's kind of like all our windows are
kind of been set like that which worked out pretty well they're kind of in the
middle of the complete insulation
barrier and we're getting a bit closer with
some color going on this and we went with a very light color um i
really didn't want it the system to heat up at all
and uh it just looks awesome it's like um
a greek almost um veneer kind of look to it
it's not going to fade at all you know that's right yeah uh this is the upgraded panel
there's still a few breakers left to throw in here but this is the
200 amp service um which costs us maybe 7 500 all in do you have a picture
of your emergency circuit on this one peter i thought that
was a good feature you installed uh that is actually on our newest array
um so that's a sunny boy inverter which has what's called a secure power
source so typically if the grid goes down all the solar has
a shut off so that linesmen don't get electrocuted
when they're working on your property now this particular sunnyboy inverter
has an emergency backup so you have to manually disconnect it from the grid uh
via two circuits and then it just gives you like a 2000 watt
plug so as long as the sun's shining you have some
energy a lot of homeowners we work with don't realize
that their big solar array won't provide any resilience because it'll go down
when the grid goes down and for the small
upgrade cost of the sunnyvoy system now you get a 2 000 watt
uh a circuit you know keep the freezer running
or that kind of thing right it's a small feature it's a small piece but it's such
an important feature so it's just a circuit so it's not is it
storing anything like it no it's a it's a single 20 amp
circuit so it's just a plug with two outlets
right next to the inverter that's all it is so if the sun's up you can pull
up to 2000 watts out of it right but if it's not so at night you would lose the
electricity correct it's a great thing for keeping your
freezer cold or nighttime lighting during an emergency
or then i mean we've had clients you know that just get a 50
canadian tire you know eliminator or something like that right and just plug
in a cheap emergency battery system that's pretty much the finished product
we got one panel left here that wasn't done at this point because we were
waiting for the um mechanical systems to uh
get completed so he didn't do an addition or anything
like that i know he did the garage but the house itself
stayed the same shape that's right the only thing that changed was the chimney
got deleted from one side of the house okay so this is the mitsubishi heat pump
that we're using in our home i think it's rated for 35 000 btus
heating and cooling awesome machine keeps those really comfortable
um it does have a backup resistance heater
um which we typically only turn on when it gets
noisy so at about 15 or 20 below that zuba will start making a bit more noise
so we'll clip on the resistance heating to kind
of supplement it there okay so the zuba for our listeners and
viewers zuba system is a central system just like a typical
furnace whether it's propane gas or anything
like that but mitsubishi does the mini splits which would be separate
individual wall mounted or ceiling mounted
cassettes or something like that yeah this one here oh sorry go ahead go
ahead this one here is centrally ducted so we
basically just pulled out the existing furnace used all
the existing ductwork and just her handler right into the basement so
it's pretty easy it is really just a plug and play
but again the key is that this unit will only provide
up to 35 000 btus um so the building envelope
and the heat demand on that building envelope when we're doing new
renovations is we're always trying to plan around
a certain either electrical capacity or a certain size compressor so we we
modify the building envelope components to make sure that we minimized
the heat demand on the building yeah and that's the finished product right
there so is your wife involved in this as well
in all ford or was she just kind of like oh
have fun uh yeah it took quite a bit of trust she
was um i guess six months pregnant
when we started planning it and uh we had a
three-month-old at home when we were actually doing the construction
so she was pretty patient with me that's for sure
so it sounds familiar actually when we built our pacifist we bought the lot
uh when my wife was pregnant and yeah he was born i was building the house and it
was just like yeah so i was gone for long hours and
uh yeah sounds very familiar mine was a little different because i
was still at home when for these uh two or three months and i had all my guys
with me too so the house was uh noisy for her and the three-month-old
baby all right glad it's over i'm sure it's amazing so thanks so much for
walking us through that is that the last picture
or did you have my uh we have more detail there i'm not sure oh that's
that is the last one right there there we go nice that's great so is there anything you
would have changed at this point now that
you're done and you've been through the process and
and learned what's required is there anything that you would change whether
it's in the design or in the process or in
the products uh anything uh really your screen too by
the way if you're sure uh really the only thing on my home
that i would have changed is we only went with a four inch thick eps
i would do it again with um at least a six
and maybe even as much as a 12 if i was doing my own again
oh well why is that uh 12 inch thick is an r48 i mean
it would take nothing to heat this house we'd be well into passive house kind of
level the labor like most of the cost is in the labor and that doesn't change
really depending on how thick it is right so the
we often tell clients to go as thick as you can
because it's a very smart cost upgrade right when you look at the extra cost
for that extra inch or two or four yeah it's cheap too cheap compared to uh
the labor yeah when you're gluing the aps it gets
a bit more complicated if you're using a rock sole or bad insulation and you
start talking about longer and longer fasteners and
support but it gets but with the eps it's just
you know a couple extra thousand bucks to get thicker stuff
would you have been able to do that like did you have any issues with regards to
lot lines and and uh there was on on one side of our
house we would have had to have gone to a
non-combustible product if we were to go to more than
four inch which was actually the determining factor for the thickness
that we went on this property that's not typically true in
most of the renovations that we look at the older houses all seem to have five
and six feet but once you get inside that four foot line
uh there are some fire codes that need to be
respected yeah yeah we deal with that here too the other thing too is we don't
do a lot of stucco so there might be siding or in
some cases especially outside of the city then
maybe there's a covenant and then there's
brick or stone we have to figure out how to carry that right that was one of the
issues that we had with our passive houses we needed a lot of insulation
but we want needed to carry brick so we can't you know we don't want our
foundation to be this thick just to carry the brick
didn't want to do two foundations to carry the brick so we ended up with less
exterior insulation uh a little bit thicker foundation and
then like a double stud wall which is possible for a new construction
right but renovations would be a completely different story
then we get into longer fasteners which we're dealing with right now on a
project actually it's a masonry building and we have to
insulate a masonry building and then side put siding on that so um
what about yourself tyler anything that you realize that
you know what went well it didn't go well have you guys learned anything that
you've now implemented onto the in to the other projects that you've
been working on um you know a lot of our end is is the
administration of the labeling process and this was an early early entry into
the pilot program um and the program has gotten much
better since then so that's something we definitely are happy
to see um labeling a house now was much easier uh
process-wise um you know as a consultant we are
always picking up stuff from our builders and our projects
you know we learned a little bit on the importance of maintenance
of these systems from peter um you know there's actually two filters in these
heat pumps that need to be changed we weren't aware of that
and uh your electrical bill went a little high there for a while peter i
think until we found that second filter um
you know little things like that always something to learn for sure
yeah and there's always especially with new technology too right so
uh and then more like all these sub trades are starting to learn these
these new things as well because they haven't been working with some of this
stuff as as long so well thank you so much for
being on the show congratulations on the
accomplishment being the first in canada so that's i hope you've taken
some time to celebrate and uh yeah
so if people want to get in touch with you maybe share exactly where you are
located but uh and also for both of you uh
either one of you can start you know the best way to get in touch if people have
questions or want to work with you partner
whatever it may be yeah we're out of calgary alberta we are
starting to offer remote uh consulting options as well uh we're on twitter
facebook linkedin and you can find us
on google solar homes inc and uh we're at four elements dot e-c-o
eco uh we're based in calgary as well and we serve all of western canada
um great way to get in touch with us through our website or through our
social media or talk to great builders that we work
with and they'll direct you our way too well thanks again guys uh it's been
great uh it's inspiring to see stuff like this
happening in canada even though it's on the other side of where we are but it's
still uh something that we can all learn from so
keep it up and uh we'll looking forward to seeing some
of the next projects thanks for having us thank you very much
pleasure thanks for tuning in to another episode
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is an exciting project that we have coming
up so we'll catch you on the next episode

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